Native led "ban" on moose hunting in BC expanded...
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Look at the maps they handed out. The vast majority of that is Crown land.
Look at what the Tsilqot'in got recently. Over 1700sq km of land, that we now have to consider as "private land". That's right - good luck fishing, hunting, camping, mushroom picking or whatever.
Take the mushroom picking regulations they implemented this year. This included the requirement to purchase a permit from them and they prohibited access to "culturally sensitive" areas. You think it's going to be any different with hunting and fishing? People are going to be in for a VERY rude awakening.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tsilhqot-in-mushroom-picking-success-1.4779159
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amen !!!!
Mushroom regulations. Oh my God lol
As discussed in the Yukon thread and the earlier BC thread, we see that more and more bands are trying to impose their own laws and jurisdiction.
https://www.100milefreepress.net/news/b-c-interior-first-nations-announce-limited-entry-moose-hunt-ban/
Interesting comments given that moose showed up in the area in the 1900's. Also note the signs throughout Williams Lake asking people (re natives) to please respect cow moose and not shoot them. Yet they will be "picking up the pieces".
"our moose" wtf lbo
You can say jt has little to do with it but in the end he allows all of this sh— to happen he keeps given them more land and money
They keep asking he keeps giving the more they get the more they want it’s a fact
If you watched the July 1 celebrations 2 yrs ago I think , anway the lead singer from the tragically hip Downy he made a comment about Jt looking after the indigenous people
Then again he couldn’t push the pipe line threw lol
Why is it that so many generations have to foot the bill for what happened so long ago ?
Cut the cord now and done with it ,just my $.02
They keep asking he keeps giving the more they get the more they want it’s a fact
If you watched the July 1 celebrations 2 yrs ago I think , anway the lead singer from the tragically hip Downy he made a comment about Jt looking after the indigenous people
Then again he couldn’t push the pipe line threw lol
Why is it that so many generations have to foot the bill for what happened so long ago ?
Cut the cord now and done with it ,just my $.02
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Yup time to cut the cord and the direct deposit account. Welcome to modern society. Maybe stop blaming everyone else in this country and acting like victims?
Nobody was around 400 years ago... And I'm pretty sure that if some of our ancestories were alive to see what is happening these days, they would do things differently...
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When you have 2 classes of people ans 2 justice systems for said classes, you'll never come to an agreement. Personally any ban would make me hunt harder.
Justin's progressive government has been quite active in fostering the victim narrative with the natives and it's sad to see the youngsters embrace their victim status as directed and the elders not speaking up against it.
Justin and his Minsters are doing exactly what Obama did but instead of a White-Black division he is using the Natives in Canada as a proxy for the descendants of slavery down south. Systemic B.S. and a fresh young generation poisoned with preordained failure.
Justin and his Minsters are doing exactly what Obama did but instead of a White-Black division he is using the Natives in Canada as a proxy for the descendants of slavery down south. Systemic B.S. and a fresh young generation poisoned with preordained failure.
but it's not and never has been a provincial issue. It's a federal issue and always has been. Unfortunately, the animals and the resident hunter are not the governments priority. The only time the federal government deals with these issues is when some industry stands to benefit.
I see a lot of hate in this thread so not gonna say much more than this. A poacher is a poacher plain and simple so if the government mandates closures , suck it up and move on. Vote for people in politics who support your views on hunting, fishing, land access and firearms /property ownership.... that's how it works in canada ..... or at least it's supposed to.
it's okay, when the natural gas and oil pipelines and thier right of ways start getting built in this province you will all still blame the natives for the restrictions on access that are coming to BC.
Industry and greasy politicians are the biggest threat to all our hunting future but yet many here take jobs in those industries anyways..... and then turn around and blame the native man.
sad what this hunting forum has become. Just another social media vehicle for sheep following the hate train. LOL
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what about "non-compliance"? if the government or other power push too far and too much may be we will stop to listen and do whatever we want!?
I think you've danced around the issues. This is how I see it:
1. Pierre Trudeau enshrined Aboriginal Rights in s.35 of the Constitution.
2. Up until that point Parliament could have extinguished any existing Aboriginal Rights.
3. This led to many court challenges with respect to the definition and exercise of these Rights.
4. The SCC, relying on s.35 has found numerous and varying Rights. With respect to hunting it includes the Right to hunt, fish, sometimes sell fish, regardless of what non-aboriginals can do. So in many cases calling Aboriginals "poachers" is not an accurate or fair statement - they have the Right to do these things.
5. In 2014 the SCC gave Aboriginal title to the Tsilqot'in of 1700 sq km of land. They will now have the Right to use the land how they wish, which includes controlling who accesses it and what can be done (i.e. fishing, hunting, camping, mushroom picking etc).
6. In May of 2016, within 6 months of election, the Liberals withdrew Canada's permanent objector status to the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People (UNDRIP).
7. UNDRIP is not legally binding, but Bill C262 - An Act to ensure that the laws of Canada are in harmony with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples - went to first reading in April 21, 2016 (a few days before the Liberals appeared in front of the UN to accept UNDRIP).
8. Bill C262 passed third reading in Parliament on May 30, 2018 and was sent for second reading in the Senate. If the Senate approves, and it will, the Bill is presented to the Governor General for assent, and when that is granted it becomes law. The media has been VERY quiet about Bill C262 and most people have no idea of what a significant impact it will have on Canada.
9. This year we have seen the Ross River Dene in the Yukon "shut down" hunting in some areas of "their" territory, created their own season and require non-members to get permission. They are implementing their own laws, to the applause of AFN leaders who say that all FN should be doing this.
10. Now we see this spreading to BC.
Nobody seems to be asking the people of Canada whether they want or agree with this process and the lack of dialogue and discourse relating to opposing views is causing anger and frustration. I am willing to bet that the VAST majority of Canadians do not want the country to move in the direction we are going on this issue. It's not hate - it's frustration.
The way that I see it, all aboriginal rights should be stricken and EVERY SINGLE CANADIAN CITIZEN should be under the same uniform law regardless of ethnicity. That would truly be “equal opportunity”
The current system is racist against any and all races who are not Indians.
The current system is racist against any and all races who are not Indians.
The BC Government has not mandated closures.... that is the Government that issues Hunting Licenses in this Province.
It has not been the BC Government mismanaging the moose hunt. It has been the Indigenous populations possibly over hunting and not reporting back to the BC Government the number of animals they have been taking.
How can the hunting data be tallied and numbers be estimated when the largest group harvesting animals refuses to give any numbers.
There is nothing racist stating this, unless one wants to play the race card......
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