There actually are very early version AR10s that are non restricted and there is/was one in Calgary AB. I happen to know this because I was a friend of a lawyer who defended the owner when the police seized it. He successfully proved it was not an AR15 variant and the fellow got his AR10 back. They are just exceptionally rare here.
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It is not. It is prohibited as converted auto or full auto.
The ar10klm is semi auto and restricted because it has a 16 inch barrel.
The armalite ar102 which shares the same lower as the ar10klm, is non restricted because it has a 20 inch barrel.
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And that rifle was never added into the frt. NEA presented the ar10klm and ar102 designs for classification. When those were published they proceeded onto their own build for classification.
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Then a push should be made on those models. The akdal 1919 shotgun was changed from being an ar15 variant and the frt for it even cites that it is more related to the ar10 platform and that platform is not regulated restricted by oic like the AR15 is. The lab''s own words in the frt.
The lab is very much aware that the ar10 is not regulated by oic restriction.
I was trying to find out why my SR-25 is restricted, and it seems to be because it is considered a variant of the AR15. But as far as I can tell, the AR10 predates the AR15. My head always starts to hurt when I research Canadian gun control, and I'm not sure I have all the details right.
The SR25 is essentially a scaled up AR15. It was designed to use as many AR15 parts as possible.
The original AR10, while similar, is not the same design. The trigger mech for example has more in common with a FAL than an AR15. Not a single component from an original AR10 is interchangeable with an AR15. The confusion lies with the fact that most modern .308 ARs are commonly called AR10s when they are in fact not.
The original AR10, while similar, is not the same design. The trigger mech for example has more in common with a FAL than an AR15. Not a single component from an original AR10 is interchangeable with an AR15. The confusion lies with the fact that most modern .308 ARs are commonly called AR10s when they are in fact not.
I very highly doubt that will happen, I could see them claiming that their particular design is better before jumping on this band wagon.
You underestimate the stubbornness of that "other Canadian manufacturer".
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I think of the SR-25 as an improvement on the AR-10, that happens to have some parts commonality with an AR-15. Variant of AR-10, in other words. But I guess the beauty of the term "variant" is that it can mean whatever the Man wants it to. They should just call my rifle "double plus ungood" and then everyone would understand.
Almost as classy as all the haters on here who constantly slam NEA......
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When the builders of the sr25 spoke of their design as a scaled up ar15 in 308... it kind of defines it.
That view seems not widely held. Here is what Chris Bartocci had to say:
In any case, this is not the place for further discussion. I am happy with my SR-25 and I will not be buying this new NEA product, but I wish NEA and all the dealers much success.
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"The great weapons designer, Eugene Stoner, never stopped working on his AR-10 design. He, along with C. Reed Knight of Knight’s Manufacturing, perfected the AR-10 and added many design features of the M16A2, to build the SR25 (Stoner Rifle Model 25). The model number comes from adding the 10 from the AR-10 and the 15 from the AR-15. "
Ah, so it is an evolution of the original AR10, and the later AR15, making the SR25. As in the AR15 and AR10 design being combined to foster a newly named variant of the two.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Bartocci's quote highlights the very issue at hand, as viewed by the lab.
The NEA102 ignores the AR15, sticking to the AR102/AR10KLM heritage, and developing along those lines.
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Perfect! Then a scaled down NEA-102 should be feasible!
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And again no... because the AR15 is a scaled down original design AR10, which is what the AR102 is.
If you scale down an AR10 to 556, you get an AR15.
This really isn't difficult.
