Nea 102
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84wh1
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Im just using the mh mv as reference as they are both essentially redesigned ar15/ ar10 receivers that are incompatible with current ar uppers/ lowers.
redshooter
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Just to confuse things a little...
Arguing over features and who designed it is moot. The features have nothing to do with the AR-15's restricted status. To clarify what I mean, use the MV, it's not an AR-15. It's a proprietary AR-15 if you like, the numbered pieces can't interchange, but that's it, so why can one be NR and the other R? It's all in a name, go look at the list of 12(x) firearms, it includes pretty much ALL "Black Rifles" available in the late 80's/early 90's
(, and it was glorious). That included the AR-15, but it's a good dog so they didn't pull it's teeth, they just muzzled it with a restricted status based on it's name, not the design. Keeping in mind that if a rifle is a mechanical clone of an AR-15 the numbered bits will likely work perfectly together, and therefore a variant of the AR-15...which although bothersome is a much better outcome of something like being a variant of the (insert name of pretty much every semi auto with a detachable mag and pistol grip pre-1990ish here). All of them on indefinite house arrest since the mid 90's by OIC.The point is it's all in the name, not the features or design. NEA is arguing the rifle is based on a design that predated the AR-15 and therefore can not be a variant, and must be classified on it's own merits, a semi-auto rifle with an 18.5"+ barrel who's numbered bits can't interchange with a rifle listed in the OIC as prohibited/restricted. Assuming that the argument, I can't be the child of my child wins the day, it has to be NR.
No, todays AR-10 is not the same as the original design that is non restricted. There are very very few of the originals left out there and they are ridiculously expensive.
No because again there is 2 types of AR10's variants and non variants. This would definatly crack the door open but no most AR10's would still be restricted because the updated variant "is" based on the AR15
andrew3081
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One interchangeable part on a rifle doesn't mean it's a variant.
Xcr use the same pistol grip as Ar15, but xcr is not an ar15 variant.
I see, ok thanks.
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It's not that the ar10 is redesigned. It is that it is the original receiver that the ar15 was derived from. It isn't a variant of the ar15, the ar15 is a variant of the ar10 and ar102 original designs. For those reasons it us not restricted by the oic. It's not how it was designed, but when.
I just want to clarify something because clearly I'm confused.
I was under the impression that an 'AR102' is similar looking to an AR180b.
The lowers in the OP look nothing like that.
So am I totally mistaken as to what an AR102 is, or is the pic in the OP not representative of what this NR rifle actually looks like?
I thought this was an AR102
I was under the impression that an 'AR102' is similar looking to an AR180b.
The lowers in the OP look nothing like that.
So am I totally mistaken as to what an AR102 is, or is the pic in the OP not representative of what this NR rifle actually looks like?
I thought this was an AR102
So an NEA102 is in no way like an AR102, and closer to an original AR10 (KLM style)?
If so, what was Fenceline talking about when he was saying that the Armalite AR102 was NR (or rather why would it matter if it was if it's not the same as the NEA102?)
*For the record, I know the difference between the original AR10 and the new Armalite/Eagle Arms AR10B
thats what I understood, nea has been determined to make an AR10 NR for a couple of years. This looks to be it.
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There are two different 102 models. The one we are concerned with is the ar10klm/ar102 family that is an AR10. The other is the ar102 carbine which is based on the ar18.
There are two frt entries for ar10 models not affected by the ar15 restricted oic as they predate the AR15 design. One entry for the ar10klm and one entry for the ar-102 both made by armalite. They share the same lower and the frt entries are cross referenced to link them.
The NEA102 is not associated to the ar102 carbine, but is a newer version of the ar102/ar10 klm.
There are two frt entries for ar10 models not affected by the ar15 restricted oic as they predate the AR15 design. One entry for the ar10klm and one entry for the ar-102 both made by armalite. They share the same lower and the frt entries are cross referenced to link them.
The NEA102 is not associated to the ar102 carbine, but is a newer version of the ar102/ar10 klm.
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i hope this setup is an option when/if they come out.
If it is a copy you could always try to see if that upper would fit. Should. Hopefully.
Of course NEA won't have a lock on the ar102. Anyone with the facilities could make ar102 variants if they wanted to and have the same result.
ive never seen one before other then this picture. isnt this the rifle modle they are copying? or am i confused?
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They are making an ar102. Minor things can change like a charging handle. It should still take the original ar102 upper if the specs are the same. But there is no real "milspec" with the ar102. There was only ever one spec.
