NEA-15 after 400 Rounds Fired **Pic Heavy**

those stakes are fine, you dont need to mangle the crap out of it to prevent the screws from backing off
the metal is CLEARLY bent enough to cross the screws outer rim, unless the screw is gonna turn hard enough to mill the damn gas key it wont come out.
 
Runningfool said:
You got it:
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like I said, the axis on the gas key and the screw cross
ergo proper stake,

maybe you thought I was talking about the later pic?
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I wonder why there is only one stake per screw, not saying there is enough torque applied to break one stake, but normally I do see one on each side of the screw
 
easysauce said:
those stakes are fine, you dont need to mangle the crap out of it to prevent the screws from backing off
the metal is CLEARLY bent enough to cross the screws outer rim, unless the screw is gonna turn hard enough to mill the damn gas key it wont come out.
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Absolutely not.
 
I've suspected that NEA parts were Chinese made. I was close.

Runningfool said:
You got it:
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Recently, I've discovered that several components used in NEA ARs are made in Taiwan.

The above photo clearly shows the markings on the gas key bolts. "YFS". Fang Sheng Screw Co., Ltd (YFS). A Taiwanese manufacturer. The two dots on the side of the carrier tell me these are the carriers NEA has been supplying.

"YFS" bolts don't allow for adequate torquing because Taiwanese metal is soft. Taiwan even makes cheap airsoft parts.

Because our rifles do not contain any US-made components, they are not subject to ITAR regulations and ...
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If they don't contain any US made components, who makes the components they do not manufacture in-house? Like the bolt carrier group and the LPK.

I'm suspect of other components as well. Like the buttstock, charging handle and flash hiders.

Here's a Taiwanese company that sells lower parts kits, including full auto trigger groups. Eagle Circle International Co., Ltd. -- http://www.alibaba.com/member/tw900241465.html -- Is this where the LPK come from?

Why doesn't NEA have ANY presence on ARFcom? Why doesn't NEA ship anything to the States?

Just some of the questions I'd like to see answered publicly and truthfully by Jeff in particular.

If NEA is supplying off-shore, substandard components passing them off as Made in Canada, somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military, if that makes a difference mentioning.
 
easy said:
I've suspected that NEA parts were Chinese made. I was close.

If NEA is supplying off-shore, substandard components passing them off as Made in Canada, somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military, if that makes a difference mentioning.
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I was mildly entertained by your research until I read your last comment. Nothing like sensationalizing your argument, huh?

Unless you've got some way of doing hardness testing to back up your assertions of "soft Taiwan metal" being used in NEA's components, then perhaps you shouldn't have made that comment. It's outright libelous if you don't have the nuts to back up your claim.

Oh, and another thing. I could care less about someone's chosen profession as to wether they get "hurt" or not. And no, it makes no difference.
 
Don't worry Easy, I thought with all of your Scooby Doo detective work you would know that I received my rifle in January and currently NEA makes their BCG in-house now. ;)

Those poor Taiwanese soft metal makers will just have to satisfy themselves with making Airsoft parts I guess :D
 
Some of you guys are downright comical and embarrassing. We're fortunate to have these AR's being made here, and a Taiwanese screw? Asian screws are in my helicopter too and without you being able to spec those screws you know absolutely nothing, that became glaringly obvious with a sweeping statement like "Taiwanese screws are soft". They manufacture millions of different screws all the way up to high cycle aerospace grade, out of the millions of products I'm amazed you can eyeball out the soft ones because an engineer couldn't- impressive. :)

We have spoilt kid syndrome going on here, we are offered a home brewed very stylish and interesting rifle which helps our cause in Canada hugely and all many can do is bandwagon to try and piss on it and sound smart. How many of you guys worked at Colt? How many were even just weapons inspectors with a stamp? Engineers? Not many... but folks sure are wise on the internet and now we're to the point people are about to get hurt apparently! :eek:

NEA, for all the PR nightmares you're having, all but a belligerent few are very glad to see your products and company forging ahead. I also appreciate Dlask, another favourite to rag on.
 
Ardent said:
Some of you guys are downright comical and embarrassing. We're fortunate to have these AR's being made here, and a Taiwanese screw? Asian screws are in my helicopter too and without you being able to spec those screws you know absolutely nothing, that became glaringly obvious with a sweeping statement like "Taiwanese screws are soft". They manufacture millions of different screws all the way up to high cycle aerospace grade, out of the millions of products I'm amazed you can eyeball out the soft ones because an engineer couldn't- impressive. :)

We have spoilt kid syndrome going on here, we are offered a home brewed very stylish and interesting rifle which helps our cause in Canada hugely and all many can do is bandwagon to try and piss on it and sound smart. How many of you guys worked at Colt? How many were even just weapons inspectors with a stamp? Engineers? Not many... but folks sure are wise on the internet and now we're to the point people are about to get hurt apparently! :eek:

NEA, for all the PR nightmares you're having, all but a belligerent few are very glad to see your products and company forging ahead. I also appreciate Dlask, another favourite to rag on.
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Runningfool said:
Don't worry Easy, I thought with all of your Scooby Doo detective work you would know that I received my rifle in January and currently NEA makes their BCG in-house now. ;)

Those poor Taiwanese soft metal makers will just have to satisfy themselves with making Airsoft parts I guess :D
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It doesn't matters when you received your rifle. The point is that clearly the bolts in your gas key are made in Taiwan. That should be suspect enough that NEA is using Taiwanese parts after they stated all the parts used were Made in Canada. So who makes these parts since stating on their website that none of the parts are made in the USA.

Following past issues, circumventing questions, deleted posts and their shilling, NEAs credibility has gone out the window.

2bad4u2 -- libelous? Really? NEA knows the truth. Greentips knows the truth and I think the rest of the membership should know the truth too. Especially those who put their life in harm way and may end up with cheezy parts in their gun. Hardness testing -- does NEA do any hardness testing? Are the BCGs MPId? Where are the markings? Where are the zots that show the metal has been hardness tested on any of the components?

From what I've read in several of these threads, too many of you are very inexperienced when it comes to AR15s and haven't had enough parts come through your hands to know any better.

I have presented what I believe to be the truth. The rest of you can take your chances.
 
easy said:
I've suspected that NEA parts were Chinese made. I was close.



Recently, I've discovered that several components used in NEA ARs are made in Taiwan.

The above photo clearly shows the markings on the gas key bolts. "YFS". Fang Sheng Screw Co., Ltd (YFS). A Taiwanese manufacturer. The two dots on the side of the carrier tell me these are the carriers NEA has been supplying.

"YFS" bolts don't allow for adequate torquing because Taiwanese metal is soft. Taiwan even makes cheap airsoft parts.


If they don't contain any US made components, who makes the components they do not manufacture in-house? Like the bolt carrier group and the LPK.

I'm suspect of other components as well. Like the buttstock, charging handle and flash hiders.

Here's a Taiwanese company that sells lower parts kits, including full auto trigger groups. Eagle Circle International Co., Ltd. -- http://www.alibaba.com/member/tw900241465.html -- Is this where the LPK come from?

Why doesn't NEA have ANY presence on ARFcom? Why doesn't NEA ship anything to the States?

Just some of the questions I'd like to see answered publicly and truthfully by Jeff in particular.

If NEA is supplying off-shore, substandard components passing them off as Made in Canada, somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military, if that makes a difference mentioning.
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You are so far off base, not only are you completely incorrect again, quite frankly were tired of this personal which hunt you seem to be on.

Our products are not from who you suggest. And to be completely honest we owe nothing to you to divulge where our components come from. We are a manufacturer; we build and source. Those sources are internal matters, and like every other manufacturer on the planet in every sector we're not going to release those details. What we will ask is that you drop the crusade and trying to pass speculation and lies as fact. It's apparent that at some time we pissed in your corn flakes. I suggest switching to Shreddies, they may be more palatable.


For the record that carrier came from a gun that was shipped from us to a dealer with no BCG. 3rd party carriers were sourced to install to meet customer demand. These carriers came from a well known US manufacturer, since they were bing sold domestically and not reexported we allowed it. Who they get their "screws" from... We didnt ask, nor would I expect them to tell us.


Do you know why our rifles arent sold in the US? Do you know of any Non-US ARs sold there? Do you know why? No. Drop the assumptions and move on.

It is people like this, and situations like this that have led to our decision to change the way in which we operate with the public, and the direction we are now taking.
 
easy said:
It doesn't matters when you received your rifle. The point is that clearly the bolts in your gas key are made in Taiwan. That should be suspect enough that NEA is using Taiwanese parts after they stated all the parts used were Made in Canada. So who makes these parts since stating on their website that none of the parts are made in the USA.

Following past issues, circumventing questions, deleted posts and their shilling, NEAs credibility has gone out the window.

2bad4u2 -- libelous? Really? NEA knows the truth. Greentips knows the truth and I think the rest of the membership should know the truth too. Especially those who put their life in harm way and may end up with cheezy parts in their gun. Hardness testing -- does NEA do any hardness testing? Are the BCGs MPId? Where are the markings? Where are the zots that show the metal has been hardness tested on any of the components?

From what I've read in several of these threads, too many of you are very inexperienced when it comes to AR15s and haven't had enough parts come through your hands to know any better.

I have presented what I believe to be the truth. The rest of you can take your chances.
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You cant "believe" something to be truth. It either is, or it isnt. And what you have presented is not the truth. Period.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
You are so far off base, not only are you completely incorrect again, quite frankly were tired of this personal which hunt you seem to be on.

Our products are not from who you suggest. And to be completely honest we owe nothing to you to divulge where our components come from. We are a manufacturer; we build and source. Those sources are internal matters, and like every other manufacturer on the planet in every sector we're not going to release those details. What we will ask is that you drop the crusade and trying to pass speculation and lies as fact. It's apparent that at some time we pissed in your corn flakes. I suggest switching to Shreddies, they may be more palatable.


For the record that carrier came from a gun that was shipped from us to a dealer with no BCG. 3rd party carriers were sourced to install to meet customer demand. These carriers came from a well known US manufacturer, since they were bing sold domestically and not reexported we allowed it. Who they get their "screws" from... We didnt ask, nor would I expect them to tell us.

It is people like this, and situations like this that have led to our decision to change the way in which we operate with the public, and the direction we are now taking.
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Great reply. Although I hope you keep a presence.

I'm more then happy with my NEA 15.
 
The NEA website says the BCG is made of 4140 alloy steel. The same material used in action/barrel making. The same steel I use to make firearms parts and screws because it's durable, hard and not brittle. Why does anyone need proof marks on the BCG? Is this the only accepted form?
To be honest, I have 100's of US and Taiwan made 1/4x 28 socket cap screws. I've turned and drilled several on a lathe and can say there's no difference that I could detect. The threads on both are #3, in spec and very tough to shear. The same as Grade 8 bolts. In fact, I've used many old Grade 8 bolts to make pins and bushings as it resembles 4140 very much.

I'm no expert on AR15's and make no claims about them, but I certainly have no fears about Taiwan screws.
 
easy said:
Recently, I've discovered that several components used in NEA ARs are made in Taiwan.

The above photo clearly shows the markings on the gas key bolts. "YFS". Fang Sheng Screw Co., Ltd (YFS). A Taiwanese manufacturer. The two dots on the side of the carrier tell me these are the carriers NEA has been supplying.

"YFS" bolts don't allow for adequate torquing because Taiwanese metal is soft. Taiwan even makes cheap airsoft parts. .
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Ignoring the rest of your post that I know nothing about (and therefore truncated), I can address this chunk quite readily.

1) Almost all socket-head cap screws out there are presently made in either Taiwan or China, including those sold by Brafasco and Fastenal. Taiwan is not the PRC and some of the best steel components and machines in the world are presently made there, including most of the six-axis CNC mills currently available. Pls provide objective quality evidence that a Grade 8.8 socket-head cap screw made in Taiwan is "soft" and that it "doesn't allow for adequate torquing". Grade 8.8 SHCS is a standard and barring NDT to prove otherwise, I'm inclined to accept that over your (so far) unfounded assertions.

2) Airsoft parts are made everywhere, including the USA. The fact that some airsoft parts are made in Taiwan is totally irrelevant. I'm not aware of airsoft guns using steel BCG's anyhow, as that space it taken up by toy gun parts with springs and motors and "stuff".

3) Stag/CMT uses YFS fasteners in all their BCG keys, including their agency contract FA guns. Are you suggesting the Stag product is sub-standard or that their fasteners are somehow inadequate too? I'm very curious as Stag BCG's are reasonably well regarded, even on M4C and Arfcom.

4) Fasteners being made in Taiwan does not make an entire component "taiwanese" no more than a Japanese radio in your Ford Fusion makes it a "made in Japan car". I have no idea where the NEA small bits come from, but I beleive them when they say they now manufacture their own carriers.
 
Easy is a HUGE NEA hate troll. Should probably just ignore him at this point as his bias runs so deep that he is willing to tinfoil hat over some screws in a picture.

Legitimate concerns are legitimate concerns, but when it becomes a career to slag something this much, you should probably step back and reexamine your priorities.

My PDW will be here soon. Whether she goes or blows, I will post impressions and a range report. I also have a Norc CQ for direct comparison shots.
 
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