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He doesn't even have one yet.
Supply me with a Rifle and I will bury it, throw it in water, accidentally lean it against the BBQ thats down range (Boom), Drive over it...twice and throw it from a nice high tree.
NEA-15 - Who's Doing A Torture Test?
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He doesn't even have one yet.
Supply me with a Rifle and I will bury it, throw it in water, accidentally lean it against the BBQ thats down range (Boom), Drive over it...twice and throw it from a nice high tree.
Hokus Grey
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I dunno, I might be off base with this, but I think video of a rifle being used to its potential and a few durability/reliability shots does a lot for the sales and marketing end of things. Sure, all that video can be doctored to have the user shooting down UFO's with the rifle, but it does give the end user some basis for making the decision to buy. That said, I'm sure over the next year these rifles will make it into a few courses with higher round counts.
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He doesn't even have one yet.
This is not some random arfcommer making a prediction that his new DPMS is going to kick ass...what I am saying is that I would lay a lot of money on Tritium's ability to predict a rifle's performance on the basis of his experience and knowledge of these guns.
If, to use some well-known internet handles, I get a comment from Tritium or Failure2Stop or Sean M. or Iraqgunz saying, "I think this rifle should be good to go" then that is what I would consider a major endorsement. These are people with a level of experience that should allow them to correctly assess the quality of a build fairly effectively.
Therefore Tritium's comment says to me, "the odds of this rifle performing well are very high".
From a marketing perspective I agree 100%. Videos like DD's don't necessarily tell you a ton of useful information about a gun, particularly from the perspective of an average range user, who is probably going to see a more significant impact from the rifle's mechanical accuracy off the bench and the colour of the anodizing.
But for marketing purposes...these videos sell guns. Driving over a rifle with a truck and dropping it out of a helicopter just makes great theater. And at least in the case of the DD video I will give them credit for coming up with forms of torture that conceivably could represent hard actual use.
So if NEA wanted to move even more guns, there's definitely an upside to making this kind of video.
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DD's torture test actually turned into a great ad for Aimpoint Micros. lol I'm sold on those red dots after that! lol
Yeah, I think that was the take-away for a lot of guys.
Being ultra clever, I was already running a T1...but naturally I took the opportunity to feel smug about it after that video hit.
Being ultra clever, I was already running a T1...but naturally I took the opportunity to feel smug about it after that video hit.
I know of two rifles that went out of helicopters by accident.
However I don't know if there were actually found after that. The stories were to explain how the slings they were using broke and they now wanted BFG VCAS slings.
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Hokus Grey
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Clever and modest.....he's probably handsome too, that sunnuvabich.
I guess it helps if you know who these people are.
But to me...and I would surmise most people, these are just another bunch of guys with an opinion.
I don't expect everyone to be in the loop. However, that does not mean that the loop is not there.
Not everyone is informed enough to know which opinions are worth listening to...but that does not mean all opinions should carry equal weight.
That is exactly why I commented that Tritium's prediction that the NEA will work would push me off the fence. Not everyone knows enough to listen to his opinion. But his opinion is worth listening to in a way that Joe_Blow's is not.
This is particularly important when dealing with internet handles because it takes time to figure out who is who. If, for example, a gun gets recommended by someone primarily using their own name like Larry Vickers or Jason Falla or Ken Hackathorn or Paul Hotaling or Pat Rogers or Kyle Lamb or Kyle Defoor etc etc etc, it is very easy to know what weight to give that recommendation. That loop is very easy to be in and I would guess anyone with a serious interest in black rifles knows all of those names and what rifles they have generally recommended. But it is trickier when people are using internet handles, and have not gotten famous on TV already. But for a lot of people, that (and by "that" I mean relatively anonymous internet commentary) is their primary source of information on gun performance.
It is therefore worthwhile to put the research time in to know whose opinion is based on extensive experience, and who puts three hundred rounds a year through a plinker Olympic and yet will confidently give it a hearty recommendation to anyone who asks.
Not everyone is informed enough to know which opinions are worth listening to...but that does not mean all opinions should carry equal weight.
That is exactly why I commented that Tritium's prediction that the NEA will work would push me off the fence. Not everyone knows enough to listen to his opinion. But his opinion is worth listening to in a way that Joe_Blow's is not.
This is particularly important when dealing with internet handles because it takes time to figure out who is who. If, for example, a gun gets recommended by someone primarily using their own name like Larry Vickers or Jason Falla or Ken Hackathorn or Paul Hotaling or Pat Rogers or Kyle Lamb or Kyle Defoor etc etc etc, it is very easy to know what weight to give that recommendation. That loop is very easy to be in and I would guess anyone with a serious interest in black rifles knows all of those names and what rifles they have generally recommended. But it is trickier when people are using internet handles, and have not gotten famous on TV already. But for a lot of people, that (and by "that" I mean relatively anonymous internet commentary) is their primary source of information on gun performance.
It is therefore worthwhile to put the research time in to know whose opinion is based on extensive experience, and who puts three hundred rounds a year through a plinker Olympic and yet will confidently give it a hearty recommendation to anyone who asks.
1500 rounds suppressed inside of an hour is a pretty good form of torture.
That is both silly and dangerous. A red hot barrel can droop and cause the rifle to explode. It can also cause cook-offs of rounds in the chamber and will certainly result in the rounds falling apart inside the barrel.
None of that is instructive of the durability of any rifle.
It is impressive just how hot a suppressor can get in a very short period of time. A single mag can result in a suppressor that is way too hot to touch. Two mags rapid can start to burn the paint off the suppressor. I have seen suppressors begin to glow after only 150 rounds FA. Upwards of 240 rounds or so the suppressor is dangerously hot and the gun itself is becoming almost too hot to handle. We have done temperature tests of up to 400 rounds FA after which the buffer tube is almost too hot to touch. At that point the gun is simply too hot to handle.
FWIW those tests are actually no fun at all. The heat and burnt powder hanging in the air make it a chore.
That is why I would consider the DD torture test one of the more "realistic" applications of the torture test.
They did at least put thought in to what forms of torture a hard use gun might conceivably endure. Dropping a gun out of a helicopter isn't what you'd consider a "high probability event" but I am sure it happens from time to time. If it happens right at the point you're about to zip out and shoot people (as the average Canadian AR owner is of course about to do) then you might actually get the opportunity to retrieve the gun, I guess.
So it's a relatively reasonable test from my perspective, at least.
Not sure if you have ever seen Dave Merrill of Milcopp Tactical's "suppressor bacon" video...he wraps a suppressor with raw bacon and tin foil and fries it up. Fairly entertaining.
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The Question was posed to NEA, they were not interested - Fair enough.
From everything I have read they have done enough to their carbines to prove them tough. Any other Torture test (mud, dirt etc) would only expose the failures of the AR system in of itself and would not be a true reflection of NEA's Product.
The test of time and user comments here will be enough of a torture test for NEA. There are a few people on the forum here who will run their carbines hard and only too happy to post the results.
As for NEA, due to the undetermined delay of their Enhanced Carbine, i have chosen to cancel my order. When the enhanced is out and proven, i look forward to buying one.
From everything I have read they have done enough to their carbines to prove them tough. Any other Torture test (mud, dirt etc) would only expose the failures of the AR system in of itself and would not be a true reflection of NEA's Product.
The test of time and user comments here will be enough of a torture test for NEA. There are a few people on the forum here who will run their carbines hard and only too happy to post the results.
As for NEA, due to the undetermined delay of their Enhanced Carbine, i have chosen to cancel my order. When the enhanced is out and proven, i look forward to buying one.
I think this would do more than just cook bacon. At this temp it'd end up as extra crispy.
Is it wrong that this excites me? And I wasn't talking about just the bacon.
Im pretty sure that if my 700$ norinco ar can do 3k+ rounds of 223 and like 10k of 22 with cleaning every 500-1000 rounds then a NEA can do it as well. I will be buying one soon as they get the PDW styles in and Ill run it a few k wo cleaning
