NEA AR or OSTS?

[jfred]

I'm looking to make the jump into black rifles, but I'm a little bit uninformed.

I've heard many people on here talk about the NEA AR-15's being made here in Canada, and like the idea of owning an AR. How's the quality on these AR's? IIRC, they're a mid range (?) AR, so maybe the fit and finish isn't as good as it could be?

I recall reading somewhere on CGN that One Shot Tactical Supply is throwing their hat into the black rifle ring and making a non-res black rifle (?). Do you guys think it's worth dropping the money on an NEA AR, or should I wait for OSTS to finish their black rifle project so I can see how the final product stacks up as far as QC and fit/finish goes?

 

[Ar180shooter]

AFAIK NEA is doing some great things for a $1000 made in Canada AR.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31515077/NEA15_Inside_the_Rifle.pdf

Reading through the above document (by our very own misanthropist) on the NEA AR's will give you an idea as to their level of quality.

 

[FlyingHigh]

i've seen too many threads about people having issues with their NEA for me to be comfortable buying one at this point.

 

[Lee Enfield]

I'm looking to make the jump into black rifles, but I'm a little bit uninformed.

I've heard many people on here talk about the NEA AR-15's being made here in Canada, and like the idea of owning an AR. How's the quality on these AR's? IIRC, they're a mid range (?) AR, so maybe the fit and finish isn't as good as it could be?

I recall reading somewhere on CGN that One Shot Tactical Supply is throwing their hat into the black rifle ring and making a non-res black rifle (?). Do you guys think it's worth dropping the money on an NEA AR, or should I wait for OSTS to finish their black rifle project so I can see how the final product stacks up as far as QC and fit/finish goes?

Your going to wait how long?

For an untried, neverseen product against one designed to compete pricewise against Norinco's?

Your not in a hurry if you can wait for ost, so personally under that circumstance I'd buy the Daniel Defense midlength from wolverine and be ahead of both.

 

[Ar180shooter]

i've seen too many threads about people having issues with their NEA for me to be comfortable buying one at this point.

I have seen a couple of threads relating to the screws that hold the gas key coming loose due to not being staked properly. Based on NEA's explanation, these are parts that were purchased from a third party to help them meet demand and catch up on production.

These are issues, but the guns are also new to market items, so it's not entirely surprising that there would be a few kinks to work out, producing your first firearm on a large scale. I'm basing my opinion mainly off of misanthropists technical article that I linked in my first comment. The barrels are what interest me most... both the ARC+ nitrocarburizing process and the polygonal rifling should theoretically provide you with a very long barrel life and an accurate rifle.

 

[ripitup911]

i've seen too many threads about people having issues with their NEA for me to be comfortable buying one at this point.

There has been a few issues out of hundreds which is very small amount and all the issues have been addressed very quickly. with some of the best customer service I have seen not to mention the problems I have read about seem quite minor. Given there customer service and knowing I am supporting a Canadian product that without support may not even be here I would not hesitate for a second to by a NEA. I'm just happy we have a company in Canada that has taken on the risk an started producing the first Canadian ar's to be mass produced. Once there is 1 many will follow so support Canadian guns they help our fight against gun laws the most

 

[Farmboy]

Our non restricted won't be out for a bit so you could be waiting awhile

We are working directly with Daniel Defense on bringing up a ton of DDM4 V5's by summer and have some package deals on these as well.

The are located here on the website

In todays market though, with all the options, you can't really go wrong.


Oh, and we might have a special guest in the store for a signing if the timing of our DD rifles landing and his schedule work out

 

[TinkerBell]

These are issues, but the guns are also new to market items

these are not new to "market" , the owner has stated in the past that thousands of his rifles are in the hands of civilians and military the world around. they may be new to the canadian market which is why it is such a dissapointment they have let things slip thru in QC... gas ports I can see but not staking the gas key is inexcusable and should be caught on a visual QC check by the person building the rifle.... not to mention the soft trigger parts, the super heavy springs and so on.

to me it signals a lack of quality control, and that scares me... I work in the pipeline and facility construction industry and each batch of pipe or parts we get comes with a QC report specific to that part batch number that lists the hardness, thickness and grade of the item.... you think for a "milspec" trigger group they would be getting the same report... the trigger springs should have been caught when the "assembler" dry fires the rifle to check for function.

 

[gunny bunny]

these are not new to "market" , the owner has stated in the past that thousands of his rifles are in the hands of civilians and military the world around. .

Considering NEA posted in another thread that they are only up to serial number 500ish, its quite a jump and assumption you have made.

 

[North Eastern Arms]

these are not new to "market" , the owner has stated in the past that thousands of his rifles are in the hands of civilians and military the world around.

When was that said??? Man, I love the internet. Everyone is an expert. Build me a few hundred rifles with zero problems so we can take a break for a bit.

I think a lot of people know zero about what's involved in any manufacturing sector, let alone the firearms market.


For what we have done we have had very few issues. A very small percent of our products have had a problem. And when we discover a issue we nut up, fix it immediately and see that it doesn't happen again. We have a QC program and most of what occurs behind the scenes is caught before anyone even sees a component. But sometimes s**t happens, and you deal with it.

What we do offer is a great product, great customer support and a great warranty should you ever need it. I dare say that few, if any, offer the level of after the sale support that we do.


... unlike your oil pipeline industry though, when we have a problem we admit it, fix it and not sit around pointing fingers trying to find whose to blame.

 

[Rotek]

Darren,
Would the initials of this special guest be LAV?

 

[Redhouse]

Dave (NEA),

I'm not a customer (yet) but it's clear that your dedication to both QC and (especially) after sales support are unsurpassed in *my* experience, in the internet + firearms age.

Don't burn yourself out doing it. I've run a small boutique type (non-firearms) business, the building and marketing was fun, but (and I too was committed to 100% satisfaction) the servicing end is what killed the joy.

All that said, keep doing what you're doing! Kudos.

 

[Paulinski]

Our non restricted won't be out for a bit so you could be waiting awhile

We are working directly with Daniel Defense on bringing up a ton of DDM4 V5's by summer and have some package deals on these as well.

The are located here on the website

In todays market though, with all the options, you can't really go wrong.


Oh, and we might have a special guest in the store for a signing if the timing of our DD rifles landing and his schedule work out

Please consider DD .300 BLK complete guns or even uppers....

 

[Farmboy]

Please consider DD .300 BLK complete guns or even uppers...

Working on it

Darren,
Would the initials of this special guest be LAV?

I can neither confirm nor deny.

It could also be Blue Force Brittney

Or both.

That would be though if that's who it was, and the timings worked out.

 

[Jwirecom109]

Working on it



I can neither confirm nor deny.

It could also be Blue Force Brittney

Or both.

That would be though if that's who it was, and the timings worked out.

Grrr And being on the otherside of the country sucks

 

[Halong]

Our non restricted won't be out for a bit so you could be waiting awhile

We are working directly with Daniel Defense on bringing up a ton of DDM4 V5's by summer and have some package deals on these as well.

The are located here on the website

In todays market though, with all the options, you can't really go wrong.


Oh, and we might have a special guest in the store for a signing if the timing of our DD rifles landing and his schedule work out

What are the package deals do you have for the DD M4?

 

[Slug870]

I'm looking to make the jump into black rifles, but I'm a little bit uninformed.

I've heard many people on here talk about the NEA AR-15's being made here in Canada, and like the idea of owning an AR. How's the quality on these AR's? IIRC, they're a mid range (?) AR, so maybe the fit and finish isn't as good as it could be?

I recall reading somewhere on CGN that One Shot Tactical Supply is throwing their hat into the black rifle ring and making a non-res black rifle (?). Do you guys think it's worth dropping the money on an NEA AR, or should I wait for OSTS to finish their black rifle project so I can see how the final product stacks up as far as QC and fit/finish goes?

OP, I have an 14.5" NEA-15 and love it. If you are looking to get into the AR game and don't want to spend $1700 on your first one, then by all means buy the NEA-15. (Note - the price is just a ballpark taxes, shipping etc.) I assure you that the rifle will not disappoint you, and should you have ANY issues, NEA's customer service is fantastic.

Having said that, if you are able to afford a Daniel Defense from One Shot Tactical, buy one. They are some amazing rifles and Darren will make sure you are looked after in terms of getting you the right toy at the right price with top notch customer service.

Lots of options, but the most important thing is get an AR and get to the range and enjoy it! Hope this helps...

 

[Mark978]

NEA≃1200$
DD v5≃1700$

Do you want to gamble 500$ on NEA's failure rate?
Buy once, cry once!

 

[Grove]

To the original poster.

Be warned NEA's method of boosting sales is lying and shilling.

They are not to be trusted at all..........why there has been so many threads about their misconduct and trying to save face and make more $$.

Go with OSTS and you will not be dicked around. They are at least completely honest at OSTS.

 

[mg4201]

To the original poster.

Be warned NEA's method of boosting sales is lying and shilling.

They are not to be trusted at all..........why there has been so many threads about their misconduct and trying to save face and make more $$.

Go with OSTS and you will not be dicked around. They are at least completely honest at OSTS.

go with OSTS, they are honest businessmen. Enough said?