NEA lower - milspec or commercial?

[Runningfool]

How do people still end up buying NEA/BCL products without knowing their reputation (that they earned and deserve)?

It may come as a shock to you but this forum just might not be the center of the AR universe. Ryan (sfrc) has previously stated he puts out over $100,000 of NEA product per month! Clearly, despite your best efforts, thousands of people every year buy their crap. Granted they have had their moments but if the qc was really as bad as people here make it out to be, then they wouldn’t still be in the rifle manufacturing business 8 years later and Ryan’s full time job would be handling warranty issues.

 

[cr5]

It may come as a shock to you but this forum just might not be the center of the AR universe. Ryan (sfrc) has previously stated he puts out over $100,000 of NEA product per month! Clearly, despite your best efforts, thousands of people every year buy their crap. Granted they have had their moments but if the qc was really as bad as people here make it out to be, then they wouldn’t still be in the rifle manufacturing business 8 years later and Ryan’s full time job would be handling warranty issues.

Only people on CGN have problems with their NEA/BCL parts and firearms?

Yes, that would come as a shock to me

 

[Innavedaw]

Only people on CGN have problems with their NEA/BCL parts and firearms?

Yes, that would come as a shock to me

I honestly don't care either way but as an observation, it sure seems like most of the posters that show up in these threads to dump all over NEA have never even owned an NEA rifle so I wouldn't be surprised at all that this was a CGN specific phenomenon...

Even you admit in your post above that your single NEA product has been fine...yet here we are.

 

[Suther]

Pretty sure the guy was only asking if it is a milspec or commercial buffer tube. Not if the entire thing is "milspec". 90% of AR's out there aren't milspec.

I didn't think that was a thing anymore with the sunset of the AWB.

It appears that way. I'm new to the AR, and I've seen commercial vs milspec discussions before, so I knew at least some parts were different. Didn't realize it was just the buffer tube though, and that it has nothing to do with the lower itself.

So thanks to those who helped. And to everyone who turned this into an NEA slag fest without contributing anything useful, y'all need to find a better way to spend your free time because we've all heard the NEA hate a million times and frankly these pissing matches between those who love vs those who hate NEA are getting pretty tired...

 

[Meroh]

Bad news spreads quicker than good. A recent trait I have observed in society in general, and more specifically on internet forums is that people often tear down others to make their own less than stellar existence seem a little bit brighter. Righteous indignation over an issue where they may indeed not even have a dog in the hunt is not uncommon.

I would be surprised if the detractors of NEA/BCL or Norinco just to name two have any first hand experience on which to base their opinions; rather it is likely just hear-say in 99% of the cases.

Generally, people just need to "sod-off".

 

[wayupnorth]

FWIW - no NEA lowers are Milspec. Literally the ONLY companies making milspec AR15 lowers are:

In North America:

Colt's Manufacturing Company, US
Colt Canada in Ontario, Canada
Lewis Machine and Tool Company in Milan, Illinois, US
Bushmaster Firearms International, US
U.S. Ordnance, US
Remington Arms Company, US
Daniel Defense in Black Creek, Georgia, US
FN Herstal, Belgium (partially made in the US and in Belgium for US consumption)

Internationally:

Forjas Taurus São Leopoldo, RS, Brazil
SME Ordnance, Malaysia
Sarsılmaz, Turkey
Caracal International, United Arab Emirates

In this case, Milspec means that they are manufactured to the official United States M16 and M4 rifle Technical Data Package (TDP) for a US Government contract, NATO contract, or US Government military assistance contract. This would include US Government methods of Quality Assurance And Quality Control, the correct and tested alloys, the right forging dies, machining tolerances, and finish.

Everyone else makes a visually similar product that in most cases will work just as well, but do not meet the TDP definition of "milspec".

Also, not all the above manufacturers sell milspec guns to civilians. Bushmaster, for example, sells a higher grade milspec rifle to government clients, while their civilian rifles are produced more affordably.

just out of curiosity but can you site your reference for your list?
im assuming you got it from somewhere and didnt just make it up off the top of your head.
im not saying you did, i just like to know where info comes from before i reference it in the future.

 

[Claven2]

just out of curiosity but can you site your reference for your list?
im assuming you got it from somewhere and didnt just make it up off the top of your head.
im not saying you did, i just like to know where info comes from before i reference it in the future.

Google-fu

For the list of mfgrs, some of which I didn't know about, I checked out the wikipedia pages for the M16 and M4 along with the US Army small arms website. It could be off a little either way, but the footnote references on WP checked out.

In terms of TDP knowledge & how it's used, that's from personal experience.