NEA Lower Question/Problem... HELP!

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Chemist said:
The roll pins in the LPK they get fit the holes in their lowers without issue but they are aware of it now and we discussed it this afternoon.

The lower I measured today was .0945 if I remember correctly.
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You got something different from what I got then, because mine is .106". Wanna swap?
 
I haven't been on the forums in a while so I don't know what has gone down with NEA. I dealt with them for my CZ and their rail is awesome. I was planning to buy uppers from them but I guess Norinco does seem like a better option at this point. It's too bad. I really wish they would have succeeded. It is odd that they had good qc on those products and the AR is such a common design. I never thought it would be this bad.
 
ridgearms said:
I haven't been on the forums in a while so I don't know what has gone down with NEA. I dealt with them for my CZ and their rail is awesome. I was planning to buy uppers from them but I guess Norinco does seem like a better option at this point. It's too bad. I really wish they would have succeeded. It is odd that they had good qc on those products and the AR is such a common design. I never thought it would be this bad.
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NEA has been promising better quality control for a long time but they keep putting out crap and shooting themselves in the foot. They seem to lack the basic machining skills necessary to make precision parts. Measuring, speeds and feeds and setups. How bad does this have to get before somebody at NEA yanks their head out of their a$$ and starts to inspect parts?. The retailer of the product has to tell the manufacturer that the holes are too big? WTF IS GOING ON AT NEA?. For the love of Pete fire the machinists before they put you under.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
How do you drill a hole like that oversize?
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A worn out/ damaged drill will usually make a hole over size.
From what I see, they need much better machining technique that is more robust.
If their process is that un reliable, they need to 100% check all dimension, with gauge, CMM or whatever.
This will be very costly.
I don't know how much they know about machining, quality system etc. but IMO they really have a long long way to go. That is just 6061. Not Titanium or Incolnel or heat treated steel or anything 3 dimension.
Hire some more qualified engineers with solid experience and academic background in mass production, machining, mechanical properties etc will help.

A lot more than just QC....
 
i had my CC out to order one of these. Would be my first AR, and my first build. I am glad i didn't pull the trigger; likely would have been frustrating. Glad SFRC is such a great dealer... perhaps there are some Danners in my future ;)
 
Dsiwy said:
So they are going to give you over sized roll pins that will not fit through your mil spec bolt catch but will fit in there out of spec lower.
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maybe not if it is an NEA bolt catch, im sure the holes are the same.???
MUGEN said:
A worn out/ damaged drill will usually make a hole over size.
From what I see, they need much better machining technique that is more robust.
If their process is that un reliable, they need to 100% check all dimension, with gauge, CMM or whatever.
This will be very costly.
I don't know how much they know about machining, quality system etc. but IMO they really have a long long way to go. That is just 6061. Not Titanium or Incolnel or heat treated steel or anything 3 dimension.
Hire some more qualified engineers with solid experience and academic background in mass production, machining, mechanical properties etc will help.

A lot more than just QC....
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seems like an accurate assessment.
 
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I hate to be so harsh, but its hard to believe someone is selling these rifles for military use and soldiers are staking their lives on its reliable operation.
 
ryan9991 said:
Not sure what military but they got it on their website.
h ttp://www.neaginc.com/military.html

(But i seriously doubt any military deals with NEA)
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Founded in 2008, North Eastern Arms Group combines over five decades of aerospace development and manufacturing experience to develop small arms and components of a superior standard.
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All NEAG components and firearms are designed and manufactured in Canada.
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NEAG’s unique responsiveness to mission-specific requirements provides clients with the complete tools they need. Rather than settle for ‘what’s available’,
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hmm....
 
If I am not mistaken the owner had initially said that his background was in machining for the aerospace industry which is a lot more QC focused. The first items coming out of NEA for the CZ were all pretty spot on. Perhaps they have just grown too fast too quick. Any company that expands beyond their resources, i.e. human, capital will eventually deteriorate. I hope that is the case and they just need to put some money back in to bring everything in line. I'm sure we would all like another Canadian company succeed.
 
The CZ / VZ stuff he had was great.

Then all of a sudden...Bam! Full line of AR's and Parts. Including contracts overseas and Non-disclosure agreements with High-Speed OPS units???


Ummm O.K. you know something was going to Fail..............


It's like I start making Lug Nuts....then start selling Custom machined Turbo Race engines the next month. :p
 
mg4201 said:
I was thinking about this last night and I came up with something I hadn't thought of. At least one of the people getting the short end of the stick here is Ryan at SFRC. The guy has been busting his a$$ selling these products and taking all kind of flack from owners and folks like me (ok mostly me) and where is Jeff Hussey in all of this?. Ryan must be spending at least part of every workday putting out fires started by NEA. A retailer shouldn't have to make a detailed inspection of every product they recieve to make sure its not f@cked up. He continues to do a great job of supporting this product despite the problems that are not his fault.
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I couldn't agree more! The first thing I did after starting this post after fining out my upper wouldn't fit is write an email to NEA via their website describing my issue. Next I sent the same message to Ryan. First thing the next morning I had a response from Ryan, who was positive, understanding, and very accommodating! I STILL haven't gotten a reply, phone call, nothing from NEA regarding my issue... That was 5 days ago I brought m concerns to their attention.

I don't think it's fair that a retailer is out there fighting NEA's fires when realistically NEA should be providing solutions, and explanations to the customer, especially when contacted directly.

I don't think it is so much NEA bashing, people just want explanations, to understand why issues keep arising, and how they are being or will be dealt with. There may very well be a simple explanation as to why their products are being released as they are (I'm trying to be positive and optimistic here), but even so, no one has heard any sort of reassurance from NEA as far as I can tell as of yet.

Just my 2 bits :)
 
I agree with the above. Very unfair to dealers, and it would alienate them from NEA products. Can you imagine the hassle of handling all the CFC restricted transfers to return the lowers? I'm of mixed emotions about returning it just because of the hassle of doing the transfer and arranging the authorization to transport to take it to the post office to return it. I want to measure the bolt stop's hole to see if a .106 pin will pass through it without modification. I'm not driling out a bolt stop to fit a larger pin to fit a non-standard lower. As well, how could I ever re-sell such a thing in good conscience?
 
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