NEA Problems

Have you had problems with your NEA?

  • I had an NEA and it never had any problems

    Votes: 149 34.7%
  • I had an NEA and it had minor problems

    Votes: 80 18.6%
  • I had an NEA and it had major problems

    Votes: 94 21.9%
  • My buddy had/I know someone with an NEA and it had problems

    Votes: 106 24.7%

  • Total voters
    429
I think it is very telling that there are no other retailers or manufacturers -including forum sponsors- that participate in these NEA bash threads. You would think people in the industry would be bad mouthing them everywhere, or that absolutely no retailers would sell their products.. or at the very least it would be shady fly-by-night operations. This is not the case though, or did I miss something?

I don't think its very telling at all. There are retailers who are site sponsors on this very forum with spotty reputations and I don't see the other retailers bashing them either.

And it appears you did miss something if you can't believe otherwise respectable businesses selling problematic products.
 
I had a first generation 10.5" upper that I sold before trying due to unexpected hardship.. the fellow I sold it to reported it wouldn't mate with his lowers (plural). NEA helped him out, and as far as I know he's still happy with it today.
 
great .. but are you making and selling guns...? Even though I was not specific, I am talking firearms and mass production, not custom stuff at a small shop.

We are not a small shop, we do between 700k and 1.2 million a month and we buy steel by the ton. Making guns is no different than making any other product composed of multiple parts. It is just machining, measuring and shipping. NEA act like making guns is some incredibly complex tight tolerance, exotic materials task that can only be done by spanish virgins. That is utter BS. The finishes and tolerances involved in making AR's is literally nothing for modern equipment and competent operators who actually check the parts. Making the fixturing to make AR's is more difficult than making the rifles themselves, and you only have to make a fixture once.
 
I think it is very telling that there are no other retailers or manufacturers -including forum sponsors- that participate in these NEA bash threads. You would think people in the industry would be bad mouthing them everywhere, or that absolutely no retailers would sell their products.. or at the very least it would be shady fly-by-night operations. This is not the case though, or did I miss something?

It is almost like the forum sponsors don't want to get sued by a company with very deep pockets. defending against even BS lawsuits costs money that you don't get back if you win. None of the forum sponsors are Wal mart like organisations with massive bankrolls with which to defend against lawfare, which is a common tactic in the business world. Look into the background of NEA and it will become clear why some of the site sponsors don't wish to upset them.
 
I think we need some people to do more videos on youtube - pro or con. I would like to see a lot more rifles for myself. I personally have only shot 2 and handled maybe 6. They were all the first gen billet though. I would really like to shoot one of the new forged ones and see the difference.
 
I think we need some people to do more videos on youtube - pro or con. I would like to see a lot more rifles for myself. I personally have only shot 2 and handled maybe 6. They were all the first gen billet though. I would really like to shoot one of the new forged ones and see the difference.

I think if NEA wants advertising on CGN they will have to go through the site owner, instead of trying to get members to advertise for them for free.
 
I think we need some people to do more videos on youtube - pro or con. I would like to see a lot more rifles for myself. I personally have only shot 2 and handled maybe 6. They were all the first gen billet though. I would really like to shoot one of the new forged ones and see the difference.

I'm just going to leave this here.

 
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131 of 249 actual NEA owners reporting problems..........No thanks!

To be fair that set of data only looks at people on CGN and ones that actually completed the poll. Canada ammo should chime in and tell us how many customers have complained. Hopefully they arent selling 2014 production rifles like epps...
 
It wouldn't be in their interest to do so even if they kept such data. If there were lots of complaints, then people could say they knowingly sold shoddy goods.

edit: found some more NEA vids



To be fair that set of data only looks at people on CGN and ones that actually completed the poll. Canada ammo should chime in and tell us how many customers have complained. Hopefully they arent selling 2014 production rifles like epps...
 
There is some really obvious things displayed in the multiple threads relating to NEA, first some people are so self absorbed they expect their problems to be sorted out yesterday. One person would report he was being taken care of and then in about a week he'd be crying because he wasn't being taken care of...more than a few times. It was painfully obvious he thought he was so important that NEA should have dropped everything, booked a flight across the country and brought him his new rifle.

Second, all these reported problems with NEA tend to come from the same group of people...it doesn't take a big brain to see the problem with that.

Third, reading comprehension is beyond pathetic for a few. I find it interesting that I've replied to a thread and I'm quoted, and when I read the retort it's obvious they just didn't get it...I never thought that my command of English was the greatest, but when I go back and read what I've stated I can only scratch my head.

Shill...really is that the best you can do? Once again, any real shills here? I'd really appreciate a free rifle NEA, all the work I've done for you I think it's the least you can do...Just for you Mr. Overnight it to me or else, you beat the crap out of your rifle and it broke. Then you created a circus to get your money back...that's my opinion, and since I don't actually know you it's absolutely worthless, just like most of the second or third hand accounts from these threads..
 
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Those videos, the guys all dressed up cant even figure out how to clear their stoppage. Fail on NEA and them.

Honestly, some of those videos don't look like NEA was at fault at all.

One of them looked like a over-pressure round (cheap milsurp ammo) that blew so high pressure the barrel's locking recess sheared off. I don't think it's fair to pin that on NEA based on a youtube video. The world is full of guys blaming the gun instead of the $.08/rd 50 year old ammo or their hand-loads.

The next video was a guy dumping mag after mag or 7.62/39 with no stoppages - not sure what the point here was? The video was called "NEA Failure 2" and in fairness, I got bored and clicked ahead a few times, but I didn't see anything fail in the video?! Maybe it was sarcastically named?

Next we see a mall ninja doing "CQB", though mostly he looks to be standing still with way too much junk hung on his rifle. The first round does not go off and he cannot clear his rifle. No commentary offered. We don't know what calibre, what ammo, whether the gun is all NEA or if it's a build using their upper/lower. I've had plenty of stoppages in real colts. Big deal. Maybe he has a crappy rifle, but one stoppage caught on film doesn't say anything useful. Do a youtube search for AR stoppage - lots of non-NEA videos come up.

Now we have an "AR Failures 2" video. I thought this one was the worst of the videos and looks like a bad NEA rifle. Sh!t happens, they have made some poor guns at times. Hard to tell what generation that gun is, whether it's a parts gun, or a retailed complete product. Intermittent function can be a real PITA. Hopefully NEA helped them get it solved.

Now we see another "CQB" video where the operator looks like he's never held an AR before, does not know where to put his magazine, or how to do clearance drills. Should be called "Newbie mall ninja can't operate an AR".

Next we see some view shot (looks like?) somewhere in asia. Gun seems to work but has 3 FTFs the operator clears. We have no idea what ammo he's using or if his mags are crappy. Nothing to conclude here IMHO.

Next up is a bolt failure. Probably a Gen 1 rifle? It's old news that early NEA bolts were sometimes crappy. but then, we don;t even know from the video if that is an NEA bolt in the NEA upper.

Next we have a video where the rifle work but the bolt hold open does not. Sounds like a problem that can be fixed with a $2 part. (i.e. new bolt hold open).

next up is a no-talking vid showing different BCG's, some of which fit in a rifle and some of which do not. I can't tell who made what BCG or whether this is showing an NEA product that does work compared to another BCG, or the opposite? It would have been nice if there was a verbal track to explain what we are supposed to be outraged about?

Finally, we have someone whose stock won't stay open. We don't even know if the rifle is NEA. It looks like it is not. The stock is purported to be NEA and we have no idea if it's installed correctly or what. Some closeups of what isn't working might have shed more light.

Al this to say, it's not news that NEA stuff was poorly thought of when it first came out, and there was lots of evidence that things were wrong at the time. I keep seeing this crap re-cycled over and over.

I'd like to see proof that current stuff is crap instead of the same recycled videos from years ago that really don't say very much. Colt made some AWFUL M16's at the very start - the US ARMY almost dropped the platform. Nobody still says "don't buy colt, their early rifles jammed in the jungles of Vietnam".

Early DPMS and Bushmaster guns had a really bad rap too. Nobody trashes them much anymore.

Is NEA stuff still garbage? I don't know. But how long can someone hold an ever-lasting grudge for not liking a product they bought 5+ years ago? Seems unhealthily obsessive to me.

YMMV.

And no, I'm not a shill and have no connection to NEA. I don't even own an NEA. I did have one of their 7.5" uppers for a while. It went bang until I got bored and sold it. Too loud and impracticable for my purposes.
 
Honestly, some of those videos don't look like NEA was at fault at all.

One of them looked like a over-pressure round (cheap milsurp ammo) that blew so high pressure the barrel's locking recess sheared off. I don't think it's fair to pin that on NEA based on a youtube video. The world is full of guys blaming the gun instead of the $.08/rd 50 year old ammo or their hand-loads.

The next video was a guy dumping mag after mag or 7.62/39 with no stoppages - not sure what the point here was? The video was called "NEA Failure 2" and in fairness, I got bored and clicked ahead a few times, but I didn't see anything fail in the video?! Maybe it was sarcastically named?

Next we see a mall ninja doing "CQB", though mostly he looks to be standing still with way too much junk hung on his rifle. The first round does not go off and he cannot clear his rifle. No commentary offered. We don't know what calibre, what ammo, whether the gun is all NEA or if it's a build using their upper/lower. I've had plenty of stoppages in real colts. Big deal. Maybe he has a crappy rifle, but one stoppage caught on film doesn't say anything useful. Do a youtube search for AR stoppage - lots of non-NEA videos come up.

Now we have an "AR Failures 2" video. I thought this one was the worst of the videos and looks like a bad NEA rifle. Sh!t happens, they have made some poor guns at times. Hard to tell what generation that gun is, whether it's a parts gun, or a retailed complete product. Intermittent function can be a real PITA. Hopefully NEA helped them get it solved.

Now we see another "CQB" video where the operator looks like he's never held an AR before, does not know where to put his magazine, or how to do clearance drills. Should be called "Newbie mall ninja can't operate an AR".

Next we see some view shot (looks like?) somewhere in asia. Gun seems to work but has 3 FTFs the operator clears. We have no idea what ammo he's using or if his mags are crappy. Nothing to conclude here IMHO.

Next up is a bolt failure. Probably a Gen 1 rifle? It's old news that early NEA bolts were sometimes crappy. but then, we don;t even know from the video if that is an NEA bolt in the NEA upper.

Next we have a video where the rifle work but the bolt hold open does not. Sounds like a problem that can be fixed with a $2 part. (i.e. new bolt hold open).

next up is a no-talking vid showing different BCG's, some of which fit in a rifle and some of which do not. I can't tell who made what BCG or whether this is showing an NEA product that does work compared to another BCG, or the opposite? It would have been nice if there was a verbal track to explain what we are supposed to be outraged about?

Finally, we have someone whose stock won't stay open. We don't even know if the rifle is NEA. It looks like it is not. The stock is purported to be NEA and we have no idea if it's installed correctly or what. Some closeups of what isn't working might have shed more light.

Al this to say, it's not news that NEA stuff was poorly thought of when it first came out, and there was lots of evidence that things were wrong at the time. I keep seeing this crap re-cycled over and over.

I'd like to see proof that current stuff is crap instead of the same recycled videos from years ago that really don't say very much. Colt made some AWFUL M16's at the very start - the US ARMY almost dropped the platform. Nobody still says "don't buy colt, their early rifles jammed in the jungles of Vietnam".

Early DPMS and Bushmaster guns had a really bad rap too. Nobody trashes them much anymore.

Is NEA stuff still garbage? I don't know. But how long can someone hold an ever-lasting grudge for not liking a product they bought 5+ years ago? Seems unhealthily obsessive to me.

YMMV.

And no, I'm not a shill and have no connection to NEA. I don't even own an NEA. I did have one of their 7.5" uppers for a while. It went bang until I got bored and sold it. Too loud and impracticable for my purposes.

Well if you're going to get all logical and stuff, I'm going to go home.
 
Well to address your rebuttal:

One of them looked like a over-pressure round (cheap milsurp ammo) that blew so high pressure the barrel's locking recess sheared off. I don't think it's fair to pin that on NEA based on a youtube video. The world is full of guys blaming the gun instead of the $.08/rd 50 year old ammo or their hand-loads.

1. It's pretty clear that overpressure wasn't the cause of the failure in the first video. When rounds go kaboom in an AR, they don't just surgically take out the barrel extension and cam pin. In fact they're more likely to take out literally everything around the barrel extension and cam pin instead. But hey, don't take my word for it, you can compare yourself. Look at the results of an actual overpressure round in another NEA rifle that blew up at the factory. The differences are pretty obvious. The threads are linked earlier in this one, but you can check them out here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1343201-Bought-my-first-AR-NEA-in-7-62x39/page5

http://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/showthread.php?24048-NEA-15-Ka-Boom

The next video was a guy dumping mag after mag or 7.62/39 with no stoppages - not sure what the point here was? The video was called "NEA Failure 2" and in fairness, I got bored and clicked ahead a few times, but I didn't see anything fail in the video?! Maybe it was sarcastically named?

2. The guy had a bolt failure, which happened after an extractor failure the week prior to that. The rifle was two weeks old. The guy ended up selling the rifle a month later.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...g-thread-)?p=11009561&viewfull=1#post11009561

Next we see a mall ninja doing "CQB", though mostly he looks to be standing still with way too much junk hung on his rifle. The first round does not go off and he cannot clear his rifle. No commentary offered. We don't know what calibre, what ammo, whether the gun is all NEA or if it's a build using their upper/lower. I've had plenty of stoppages in real colts. Big deal. Maybe he has a crappy rifle, but one stoppage caught on film doesn't say anything useful.

3. I believe that guy is in the Ukraine, and given the video posting date in mid-2014, that rifle may have actually been relied upon to defend life. Looks to me like he's just got an Aimpont, some MBUS, and an AFG. If he's a "mall ninja" we're all mall ninjas.

"NEA-15 CQB" is the name of the rifle, hence the name of the video. It's chambered in .223 and the brand of ammo is explicitly stated in the description.

And by the way, a case stuck so hard it locks up the whole gun is a pretty severe failure regardless of if the guy is a mall ninja. He has the exact same failure with two different brands of ammo, so yes, let's blame the ammo. :confused:

Now we have an "AR Failures 2" video. I thought this one was the worst of the videos and looks like a bad NEA rifle. Sh!t happens, they have made some poor guns at times. Hard to tell what generation that gun is, whether it's a parts gun, or a retailed complete product.

4. "#### happens" but more frequently with some.

Now we see another "CQB" video where the operator looks like he's never held an AR before, does not know where to put his magazine, or how to do clearance drills. Should be called "Newbie mall ninja can't operate an AR".

5. Again, the gun is called the NEA-15 CQB. As far as I'm aware, most clearance drills don't cover "your AR is locked up so hard you can't extract manually." He's also slung up, so he'd have to take the rifle off to mortar it.

Next we see some view shot (looks like?) somewhere in asia. Gun seems to work but has 3 FTFs the operator clears. We have no idea what ammo he's using or if his mags are crappy. Nothing to conclude here IMHO.

6. Seems to be feeding just fine, so it's probably not a crappy mag. Let's blame the ammo again!

Next up is a bolt failure. Probably a Gen 1 rifle? It's old news that early NEA bolts were sometimes crappy. but then, we don;t even know from the video if that is an NEA bolt in the NEA upper.

7. Again it is explicitly stated in the video description that it's an NEA. Not sure what motivation anyone would have to make that up.

Next we have a video where the rifle work but the bolt hold open does not. Sounds like a problem that can be fixed with a $2 part. (i.e. new bolt hold open).

8. Yup looks like a broken BHO. It's okay though, this guy isn't a mall ninja so he'll be fine.

next up is a no-talking vid showing different BCG's, some of which fit in a rifle and some of which do not. I can't tell who made what BCG or whether this is showing an NEA product that does work compared to another BCG, or the opposite? It would have been nice if there was a verbal track to explain what we are supposed to be outraged about?

9. "we don;t even know from the video if that is an NEA bolt in the NEA upper." The video title is "nea bcg" and you can clearly see the NEA logo on the upper as he brings it into frame.

Finally, we have someone whose stock won't stay open. We don't even know if the rifle is NEA. It looks like it is not. The stock is purported to be NEA and we have no idea if it's installed correctly or what. Some closeups of what isn't working might have shed more light.


10. That is an NEA CCS stock, the gun itself is not NEA. The look is quite distinctive, and again, it's in the title. I'm not sure why you would want to defend a stock that fails at being a stock, but hey the guy has an AFG so he must be a mall ninja. 100% his fault. :rolleyes:

This isn't some huge conspiracy going on against NEA. Another poster asked for YouTube videos, so I posted YouTube videos. Search "NEA-15" "NEA rifle" or "North Eastern Arms" on youtube and you'll find more stuff like this.

I'd like to see proof that current stuff is crap instead of the same recycled videos from years ago that really don't say very much.

Evidence was asked for, evidence was provided. You chose to ignore and dismiss it out of hand for reasons mostly being "guy is a mall ninja" and "we don't know if it was an NEA" when NEA rifles have a very distinctive look and the products are described as NEA by 10 different people who have no reason to lie. While my own experiences with NEA have admittedly and justifiably coloured my opinion of them, I am still just here presenting the facts that are available. Ignoring them like some people here are doing, saying "they're just recycled old videos" when the videos are mostly from 2014-2015 just isn't a rational argument.

We all have biases, and I admit mine. But when people go so far as to ignore evidence that is presented to them on a silver platter directly before their eyes, well this one seems appropriate...

Honestly, some of those videos don't look like NEA was at fault at all.

 
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Honestly, some of those videos don't look like NEA was at fault at all.

One of them looked like a over-pressure round (cheap milsurp ammo) that blew so high pressure the barrel's locking recess sheared off. I don't think it's fair to pin that on NEA based on a youtube video. The world is full of guys blaming the gun instead of the $.08/rd 50 year old ammo or their hand-loads.

1. Please provide an example of this mil-spec ammunition causing problems in a rifle.

2. Please read: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/foghorn/ask-foghorn-shelf-life-for-military-surplus-ammunition/
 
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