NEA Swiss Arms lowers

angryeyebrows said:
What is "good enough" for some, is not the case for others. Care to enlighten me on what "milspec" products NEA produces for the small arms industry, and what "real world users" have contracted them for firearms parts?

Why should I place blind faith in a company who is relatively new to the market place?

Seriously, it's not like we are talking about the reputation of Colt or FN here. It would be stupid not to thoroughly test a part before releasing it to the public, especially when it's for a very expensive rifle and the part itself costs quite a bit.
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NEA has a very good reputation for taking care of their customers. If something isn't working, they make it right and don't leave anyone hanging.

As for swapping internal parts from my orignal OEM lower, I already told Jeff that most of us 'hardcore' Swiss Arms/SIG fans would much prefer to keep our original lowers untouched and would be willing to pay extra for either a complete NEA lower or stripped lower and LPK to complete our own.

If you're willing to spend $3500 on a gopher gun, and another $500-$1000 for factory/OEM magazines, most Swiss Arms owners aren't afraid of spending an extra couple hundred for the convenience of simply swapping one lower for another.

In fact, a lot of us own more than one Swiss Arms rifle, so having one complete NEA lower that I could switch between non-restricted Blue Special/Classic Green, along with restricted Carbine and CQB is attractive to me. Spending $30.00 per AR mag is also a lot more attractive than dropping $100 for a single OEM mag.

As a civilian, I actually really like the Swiss Arms mag design. It is certainly robust enough for my needs and the ability to snap several together is convenient. However, I don't drop them on rough concrete floors or rocky gun ranges. That is where PMAGS would really shine. Having the ability to use 10 round LAR mags in target practice or hunting praire dogs, etc... is another reason why the complete lower is attractive to me. Saves on the hassle of loading mags. :)
 
angryeyebrows said:
Thanks NEA. Good answers. Exactly what I wanted to hear.
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No problem. I had to use the bold and underline because my browser will not let me use a different colour on the text and i was feeling to lazy to use quotes multiple times.................. cant wait to once and for all be done with PC/windows platforms.
 
I too would buy the lower with complete internal parts rather than strip them out of my Swissarms.
 
I have a few original Swiss lowers and would still be interested in buying a complete lower as well as a few stripped
 
I could do a parts swap in 15mins. If you've never done it, maybe twice as long? Not hard, about the same level of difficulty as a AR kit.
 
We're running our pre-production sample on a 20" Class Green upper as a range gun if anyone wants to come play with it.
 
Tried the pre-production lower on the range gun (20" upper) today and noticed a few things on it:

1) Felt a little more frontheavy than my own classic green. I'm not sure though if it was all in my head, or if the lower really was a bit lighter. The collapsable stock might have contributed to the feeling as well.

2)Placement of the mag release. I couldn't actually hit the mag relase without re-adjusting my grip. I'll admit I have small carny like hands, but the placement of the mag release isn't an issue when I've used AR's or other AR style lowers (ie XCR). My fingertip barely brushed up against it.

3)Height of the stock. Again, I could chalk it up to the stock that was on it or just unfamiliarity with a different weapon, but I couldn't get the same sort of cheek-weld with it the way I can with the SAN stock when using irons.

4)Bolt doesn't stay back after the last round. It's nit-picky, but having to work the charging handle instead of just slapping the bolt-release every time after inserting a fresh magazine is a little akward, especially with certain optics mounted.

It was interesting to try out, and I'd like to try it with optics and with shorter barrel lengths, but as it stands I don't think I'll get one for myself just yet.
 
Locos said:
4)Bolt doesn't stay back after the last round. It's nit-picky, but having to work the charging handle instead of just slapping the bolt-release every time after inserting a fresh magazine is a little akward, especially with certain optics mounted.

It was interesting to try out, and I'd like to try it with optics and with shorter barrel lengths, but as it stands I don't think I'll get one for myself just yet.
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That is not an issue on the production models. The pre production model you tried went out with that being a known issue that had to be adjusted for the production run.

We have 300 lowers in the last stage of machining.
 
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I would apologize for the delay in releasing these but i would rather be late then release something that i hate. What you are looking at is part of 300 lowers about to be sent to the vibro benches for deburring and then on to Anodize. Worst case at this point will be us shipping to TSE in two weeks. I am hoping that we ship by the end off this coming week.

Its amazing how fast a dozen coffees and a couple boxes of donuts can improves ones place in the scheduling at our processing house.
 
I think that it is difficult psychologically for Swissarms owners to butcher their rifles to create this new configuration. Most of responses I have read indicate that people would prefer a complete lower. There is a psychological factor at play again. Swissarms are expensive rifles. A person who buys Swissarms believes that he buys a superior product in all respects that does not need anything changed. The average Swissarms owner considers AR compatible lower a nice toy or addition to already existing good rifle, and not necessarily an improvement over already good product. Whether this is true or not does not matter, this is what people believe. Based on that I think that a complete lower would actually sell better even at extra cost. I would even go further and suggest that if there is an opportunity for a dealer to purchase a batch of complete uppers and combine them with these AR style lowers and sell them as complete rifles at a competitive price, many people would go for it. I know I would. In any case, this product is a step in a right direction and only time will show what the best way of selling it is.
 
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