300Spartans
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NEA vs Norc AR - help me justify spending more $$$
- Thread starter the_klenzer
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kinggeorge168
CGN frequent flyer
I maybe will consider a chinese car...the chinese car may run like the norc M4, my friends sunfire broke down just under 70000KM and will cost $3500 to fix....so he ended up sold it and pick up a toyota instead.
The best way to gain experience and knowledge is to own different types of products... people just love to shoot there mouth off on this forum about norinco, which is fine, who cares. Fact is its a great ENTRY level rifle and guess what... you can try it for however long and if the need for something better comes along..... you can almost always get what you bought the thing for!!! Point is it is available for you right now...buy it, try it, sell it or keep it. ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE THERE ISSUES! I've seen $2000 plus ar's have issues. I shoot about 1000-1500 .223 outta my norc a year. Honestly never had a problem. The paper has never gotten up and walked away..... so guess it's doing its job for $675....shipped! 
If you want to learn more about the AR15 check out the following link. It will help you make your mind up. Check out the instructional vid's.
http://www.ar15builder.com/
Incredibly helpful.
It's great that rookies/noobs/whatever have such an admirable resource such as these forums available to them, so they can learn from the experiences and valued opinions of the more... seasoned... shooters.
Clobbersauras
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I seem to remember a thread where a KAC rifle had issues (on a course recently)....
I seem to remember as thread where Stag rifles had issues...
I seem to remember a thread where Norc had issues...
Blah friggen Blah
Any tool you buy can break or not function as intended. Generally Norcs have a good rep, but there have been issues. It can be said for every firearms manufacturer. Ask Glock if they are having issues these days.
Make a decision and shoot the thing, you roll the dice with any purchase. The odds of a lemon are just different with some brands. Will NEA be good? Who the f**k knows? You have to buy it and shoot it first. But, their listed features are good for the price.
I bought too many rifles and pistols from too many manufacturers to know that you roll the dice every time. Interestingly enough, all the Norcs I've bought have been utterly reliable, so I got rid of them all...
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It's amazing how NEA is not even on the market yet, and there are fanatical fanboys going on about how great the quality is.
NEA..quality unknown, price TBA, release date uncertain.
Norinco...entry level quality, low price and available now.
NEA..quality unknown, price TBA, release date uncertain.
Norinco...entry level quality, low price and available now.
Kinda sad to see folks wouldn't try their best to buy Canadian. Our high std of living ensures our product will be more expensive, nothing comes for free. Enjoy your toys while you still have a job to pay for it. 
pfft. I don't care if it's canadian made or not either. I do care about quality. I KNOW there have been small quality issues, with the norcs. However from all that I have read on them, seen from buddies and the older 311 version i had I see no real issue with them. The NEA one will be made to better standards, becasue they KNOW that if it is notm, the candian gun community will rake them over the coals. An AR is an AR. they are a barbiedoll gun so really you can do anything you want to them. if you like the options the norc has, get the norc. if you like the options NEA has, get the NEA. Personally I will NEVER use iron sights on my AR so i want one that comes from the factory with a free float bbl and no front sight. So i'm going to wait and see if the NEA one has the options i'm looking for. if not I'm going to get a remington r-15 because it has every option i want on my ar AND i kinda like the cammo.
Bottom line (as has been stated already)
The norcs have been around for a while and any gremlins you come across someone else probably already has a solution for.
The NEA is still a twinkle in our eyes and until people have them in their hot little hands we will have no idea their true quality and reliability. At best we are all speculating right now.
Start this thread up a few months after NEA starts shipping and THEN some people can give you some solid answers.(and ALOT more opinions)
Bottom line (as has been stated already)
The norcs have been around for a while and any gremlins you come across someone else probably already has a solution for.
The NEA is still a twinkle in our eyes and until people have them in their hot little hands we will have no idea their true quality and reliability. At best we are all speculating right now.
Start this thread up a few months after NEA starts shipping and THEN some people can give you some solid answers.(and ALOT more opinions)
The quality is a complete unknown...to some
There are a number of people on CGN with a fair amount of inside info, and in some cases it's enough to give a very good picture of the rifle.
There ARE are few unknowns that are really unknown, even to the people with inside info, but they are mostly aspects that won't affect the function of the rifle.
Personally I am pretty harsh on gun selection criteria...if you look in the pistols forum you will note that I often dismiss guns that most people would tolerate or even lust after, because I know their failure rate from discussions with people involved with their manufacture and distribution. I have zero doubt that there are a bunch of people in there that think I'm either psychotic or a complete ####### because I have a very low tolerance for pistols that perform outside my own standards.
So I am extremely hesitant to recommend guns that are not highly proven commodities...I really, really do not like unknown variables.
However, in this case, I am not hesitating to say: Buy the NEA.
That's not because I'm a fanboy...I have been paying careful attention to the NEA build process and have talked at length with the manufacturer about what's being done. The NEA-15 is a very good bet.
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Here is the thing...I know that there are some people on the board who have inside info on the NEA rifles...what most of us don't know is exactly who they are and exactly what they know.
I suspect there is a lot of astroturfing going on with these rifles...and some stuff like what goes on with mainstream gun magazines, where hand picked factory tuned prototypes have been shown to "insiders"who gush over them in return for insider pricing.
But right now, to the mainstream consumer they are vapourware...which makes the forum's jockriding of this product as superior to actual, available on the shelf firearms seem premature at the least...but I am not an insider, so what do I know.
I think it depends on how often you'll be shooting it, as well how often you'll be admiring it (for me it's part of being a firearms owner). I've been really tempted to pick up a Norc M4 because it's just so damn cheap to get into the AR-15 game, but then I think about how often I'll be shooting it (maybe 200 rounds a month or less), and how much time I'll spend cleaning/admiring/taking photos of it, I've decided to wait and pay more to get something that's higher quality, including fit and finish.
I've heard nothing but great reviews on the Norco so I'm sure they run well and do the job, but from what I've seen in person, the fit and finish is just not there and I really don't want to buy something that I can't/don't want to take out of the safe every now and then just to look at how nice and purrrrdy it looks LOL.
So for me, I'm going to wait for the NEA rifle to come out, and decide if I should get that, or find a mint second hand American AR-15.
and yes, you know you may be a gunnut when you admire and stare at your guns and think to yourself just how gorgeous they look LOL
I've heard nothing but great reviews on the Norco so I'm sure they run well and do the job, but from what I've seen in person, the fit and finish is just not there and I really don't want to buy something that I can't/don't want to take out of the safe every now and then just to look at how nice and purrrrdy it looks LOL.
So for me, I'm going to wait for the NEA rifle to come out, and decide if I should get that, or find a mint second hand American AR-15.
and yes, you know you may be a gunnut when you admire and stare at your guns and think to yourself just how gorgeous they look LOL
Price is $995, release date 9/10/11
North Eastern Arms
Manufacturer-Business Member
Because you don't have one or haven't seen one hardly means anything...
Price is $995, release date 9/10/11 - This has been posted many times.
Our Uppers are available now and have been well received. However I agree, you should wait and see and let the product speak for itself and decide then. Those that have seen them know, those that don't are skeptical.
We're not concerned.. we know.
-Dave
I bought a Norc CQA. The front sight was canted to the right. I was going to send it back to Marstar but it's so much fun to shoot that I just cranked my Magpul BUIS to the right and it's all good co-witnessed in my Strikefire RDS.
It was my first black rifle and the price was right. I now know that I like black rifles and will buy more. Just bought a Benelli MR-1 "black" rifle.
If you want an inexpensive rifle to find out if you like this style of gun, the Norc is a good cheap way to learn about them.
It was my first black rifle and the price was right. I now know that I like black rifles and will buy more. Just bought a Benelli MR-1 "black" rifle.
If you want an inexpensive rifle to find out if you like this style of gun, the Norc is a good cheap way to learn about them.
exactly, if our involvement in building AR's scares anyone then there is a large block of F-18 Ef's that need to be grounded, as well i suggest nobody fly on any bombardier RJ or Dash 8 aircraft.
I picked up a used Norc M4 off the EE as my 1st AR and I am very happy with it...does it compare to the NEA...I doubt it very much .
But it was alot cheaper than a new NEA and for me it is more than adequate to poke some holes in paper.I bought it as a fun gun at the range and to learn the AR platform .I feel it comes down to priorities, financial situation, personal tastes and what you want the gun for.
I have been following the NEA rifle threads andI am sure it will be a great gun ....if I decide to upgrade later it would be my 1st choice ...But as said on here before ...The Norcs are a good gun for the money and if you decide to get one and dont like it selling it wont be a problem.
So either rifle wouldnt be a BAD choice in my opinion , it is up to the individual to figure out which one...or both...lol
Side note : I have a Norinco M4 ,Norinco 1911 45 ACP, NorincoHP-9 and 2 Polytech M-305,s and I am happy with them all .
But it was alot cheaper than a new NEA and for me it is more than adequate to poke some holes in paper.I bought it as a fun gun at the range and to learn the AR platform .I feel it comes down to priorities, financial situation, personal tastes and what you want the gun for.
I have been following the NEA rifle threads andI am sure it will be a great gun ....if I decide to upgrade later it would be my 1st choice ...But as said on here before ...The Norcs are a good gun for the money and if you decide to get one and dont like it selling it wont be a problem.
So either rifle wouldnt be a BAD choice in my opinion , it is up to the individual to figure out which one...or both...lol
Side note : I have a Norinco M4 ,Norinco 1911 45 ACP, NorincoHP-9 and 2 Polytech M-305,s and I am happy with them all .
JimboJones
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- Brantford, Ontario
Thank you for pointing out the elephant in the room. This is the reason why I held off on the Norc as soon as I heard about this project.
I understand that this may not translate well into a rifle build but...
At least there is a company within Canadian legal jurisdiction to pursue if things "go South" with the product. The same cannot be said for an importer like Norinco. If they ship a container of lemons. We are stuck with them. The company could stop doing business in Canada tomorrow and a new company importing the same products from the same factories could set up shop the next day and there is no remedy.
North Eastern Aerospace is putting thier neck on the line. The only sneaky way out of a problem for them would be to fold North Eastern Arms into a shell. However, if they still own it; arguably, liabillity can trickle up.
Look at the extra $300 as insurance if you must.
I'm looking forward to getting one of these when they are released. If I loose the lottery and get a lemon. So be it, I'll return it or make a frankengun (lemonaid.) I doubt it could be any worse than the two for two fails I have owned from Norinco so far. You or a gunsmith shouldn't have to work on your gun before you use it.
If a large number of them have problems. Can you say, "Class Action"
With the community here, I don't think that would be unrealistic. Somthing you could never do in China.
the_klenzer
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- Vancouver, BC
Wow, didn't expect the thread to go this way at all. Sorry for kicking off a firestorm.
So besides assumed better quality/finish and buying Canadian, the only real arguement I've seen is:
-the NEA AR comes with a free float quad rail, which if I bought for the Norc, would make it around $800ish, so only $200 more to get the better built NEA at that point.
Anything else like that I should know about?
Thanks
So besides assumed better quality/finish and buying Canadian, the only real arguement I've seen is:
-the NEA AR comes with a free float quad rail, which if I bought for the Norc, would make it around $800ish, so only $200 more to get the better built NEA at that point.
Anything else like that I should know about?
Thanks
