NEA25 / AR102 (please no slagging or flaming in this thread)

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fenceline said:
What is the difference in receivers between the AR10 and the AR308??? Buffer tube size isn't enough to charge a type or a lineage.
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There is no difference, your point is correct and it is the exact same stance the RCMP lab has taken.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know functionality wise AR10, AR15, AR10B and AR308 are exactly the same, because when the OIC prohibition order came into force in 1989 the original Armalite 1956 AR10 was not part of the prohibition list while AR15 was specifically classified as restricted by name. so NEA is using the argument their design is based on the specification of the original 1956 AR10, not from the specification of the later 1995 AR10B model which is based on scaled up dimensions of the Colt A15A2, so it should be classified as NR like the original AR10.

Try and imagine if you will NEA25 and Ar15 are bother and sisters they are both offsprings of the AR10, while AR10B, DPMS and other AR308 are the childrens of AR15, so NEA25 is not to be considered to be part of their immediate family.

Wikipedia AR10 said:
In 1995, former Army Ordnance officer Mark Westrom, owner of Eagle Arms, purchased the ArmaLite brand and the company became ArmaLite Inc. Shortly thereafter, ArmaLite Inc. introduced a completely new rifle, collectively known as the AR-10B rifle series. Notably, the AR-10B was not designed using the original AR-10 drawings from either ArmaLite or Artillerie Inrichtingen, but instead was based on the Colt AR-15A2, with parts scaled up or redesigned as needed to fire the 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) cartridge. The AR-10B prototype was composed of individual sub-components tested on a special lower receiver made of two slabs of aluminum fitted to a Knights Armament CompanySR-25 upper receiver assembly, and prototyped using computer analysis. The full prototype AR-10B was the first rifle off the production line.Since 1995, the new ArmaLite company has also incorporated various other design and engineering improvements to the AR-10, including a newly designed steel magazine derived from the model used on the U.S. M14 rifle. The current ArmaLite AR-10 is offered in several versions including an A2 and A4 rifle or carbine with collapsible stock, a target model (AR-10T), a 'retro' AR-10B with Sudanese AR-10-style handguard and cocking lever (limited production) and one version chambered in 300 Remington SAUM. Current users include the Ontario Provincial Police Tactics and Rescue Unit.
While ArmaLite Inc. holds a US trademark on the name "AR-10", other rifle manufacturers currently produce 7.62×51mm NATO auto-loading rifles that are based generally on the AR-10 design: the DPMS LR-308, KAC SR-25, Rock River Arms LAR-8, JP Enterprises LRP-07, American Spirit Arms ASA .308, Fulton Armory Titan, LWRC's R.E.P.R., LaRue Tactical's OBR, RND Manufacturing's "The Edge", the German Oberland Arms OA-10, the Lewis Machine and Tool LM308MWS, Bushmaster MOE 16 .308, Palmetto State Armory PA-10, and Smith & Wesson M&P10.
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Wikipedia SR25 said:
The SR-25 (Stoner Rifle-25) is a designated marksman rifle designed by Eugene Stoner and manufactured by Knight's Armament Company.[SUP]
[/SUP]The SR-25 uses a rotating bolt and a direct impingement gas system. It is loosely based on Stoner's AR-10, rebuilt in its original 7.62×51mm NATO caliber. Up to 60% of parts of the SR-25 are interchangeable with the AR-15 and M16—everything but the upper and lower receivers, the hammer, the barrel assembly and the bolt carrier group
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1.) Because they said so!

2.) Because we are all stupid, we're are not supposed to take notice of, or question the erroneous verdicts handed out in these decisions..... Thou shalt not question the powers that be!

3.) Because it's scary looking, and goes.... pew,pew,pew... all by itself

4.) because if they admit this they believe the whole ball of yarn will begin to unravel

Any questions ?
 
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Since the AR10 came before the AR15 it can't be a variant. It's like saying you can't be your biological Grandfather's biological father.

This was the basis of the project, and why it was initially approved as non-restricted. The Trudeau government coming to power just meant that the RCMP no longer had to worry about following the rules since there is no political will to take them to task for being biased in their decisions.
 
fenceline said:
Has NEA said the project is dead? Anything official from anyone?
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The project shouldn't be dead even if it is labeled restricted, NEA can still sale NEA25 to Canadians....just not at the price they would like to sell them at since it will be categorized as restricted.
 
fenceline said:
So to summarize there was the AR10.

Then, the AR15 got made.

Then the AR10B came into being, based mostly on the AR15 (which they don't say how), the AR15 being was based on the AR10 in the first place.

So now we have an AR10, and an AR10b aka the DMPS model.

So that still leaves the original AR10 style being of a lineage straight from the original AR10 and not influenced by the AR15, which was its offspring.

As the AR15 is, by Canadian law, restricted, and the original AR10 is not a variant of the AR15 (the RCMP even allude to such in recent classifications)....

Why is the AR10 pattern still restricted? If you want to argue the AR10B/DPMS is restricted as a variant of the AR15 then fill your boots. But you can't be a variant of something that came after, and the AR10 came before the AR15.

Just like the FN49 isn't prohibited as a FAL variant.
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The FAL only shares a similar breach block and gas system to the SAFN/49. The trigger assembly is totally different.
 
fenceline said:
So to summarize there was the AR10.

Then, the AR15 got made.

Then the AR10B came into being, based mostly on the AR15 (which they don't say how), the AR15 being was based on the AR10 in the first place.

So now we have an AR10, and an AR10b aka the DMPS model.

So that still leaves the original AR10 style being of a lineage straight from the original AR10 and not influenced by the AR15, which was its offspring.

As the AR15 is, by Canadian law, restricted, and the original AR10 is not a variant of the AR15 (the RCMP even allude to such in recent classifications)....

Why is the AR10 pattern still restricted? If you want to argue the AR10B/DPMS is restricted as a variant of the AR15 then fill your boots. But you can't be a variant of something that came after, and the AR10 came before the AR15.

Just like the FN49 isn't prohibited as a FAL variant.
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As well, original Armalite AR10a's that were manufactured by Fairchild Armalite (perhaps some manufactured by Artillerie Inrichtingen as well) as semi-auto only are non-restricted. There was a ruling by the courts in Alberta some years ago I believe. Very rare rifles.
 
r_taylor said:
The FAL was restricted then prohibited for an entirely different reason however.
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True. But all variants of the FAL are prohibited. My point remains, guns the FAL were based on aren't prohibited as variants because they are older designs. That's all I'm saying.

The ar15 is restricted the same way the FAL is prohibited. By oic.
 
Are there any pics of the NEA 25 available or versions of the prototypes , Maybe Canada ammo can charm in a little this would be a good time to drop a line.
 
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