Need a review.......opinions?
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Congratulations. What's not to like? A 20.5" 12 groove barrel that can be swapped for .17hmr or .22wmr, a ten-round magazine, and a beech stock, it should be a very nice rifle, with a very good likelihood of being a good shooter as well. The trigger is adjustable and can be easily lightened with a spring swap. With its hogback stock, it should be a pleasure to shoot with its iron sights or a scope if you like.
I would like to add my opinion, I usually have an opinion that I want to put out there. Does it need to be based on knowledge.
Sometimes no nawlidge izz a good thing.
Spitt'er owtt.
Well, you get a well made action with a trigger that can be tuned nicely with a cheap spring/shim kit. Sometimes some really nice lumber rolls out of the CZ factory and you can end up with a real beauty. If you want to use a scope adding a cheek riser may be necessary to shoot comfortably, you'll get a feel for that once you have it in hand. Accuracy wise there's no reason to believe you'll get anything other than average CZ out of it. My research into groove configuration suggests the number of grooves is of little effect on accuracy. More grooves can = more fouling. Other than that it's all hype. Some of the most accurate barrels around at this time are 2 and 3 groove configurations.
Looking forward to your review!
Looking forward to your review!
RFC is surprisingly devoid of reviews on the Supermatch...
IME, CZ... can't get it right. Please don't get me started. We can all agree you're grabbing a handful of dice, giving them a real good shake and a nice long roll when you buy production grade factory rifles. Add that to a warranty center with no interest in helping you with a legitimate claim and it is impossible for me to buy a CZ sight unseen with any confidence. Borescope inspection is a must with these guys...
Well looky, I'm a fan of CZ.22's.
They just seem to fit me fine and they digest just about any ammo /i feed them.
From CCI quik shok to cci hyper velocities and especially American Eagle hollow points that wreak havoc on gophers .
I do not participate in the .22 gun challenge posted in the subforum because i just havnt found the time to do so.
I did find this bit of info though and it wasnt from RFC, but from a Kiwi site http://www.kilwell.co.nz/products/category/DAGDFTWA-rimfire/ZKM455SM
12 groves and a few other tidbits...not enough to make me go out and buy one mind you , but have no issues with any of he past 6 or 7 CZ's 452's and current 455 in .17 HMR that is/was up on the block for something else.
I know of one documented case where a CZ owner is less than happy with his CZ and it is posted here on CGN and RFC .
You bought it to do what ??
I hope your not looking to spend $3.00 a box and expect 10 round bug holes cause it aint gonna happen, you might have to spend $20.00 a box for some seriously premium brand ammo to get that kinda accuracy.
Tight Groups,
Rob
They just seem to fit me fine and they digest just about any ammo /i feed them.
From CCI quik shok to cci hyper velocities and especially American Eagle hollow points that wreak havoc on gophers .
I do not participate in the .22 gun challenge posted in the subforum because i just havnt found the time to do so.
I did find this bit of info though and it wasnt from RFC, but from a Kiwi site http://www.kilwell.co.nz/products/category/DAGDFTWA-rimfire/ZKM455SM
12 groves and a few other tidbits...not enough to make me go out and buy one mind you , but have no issues with any of he past 6 or 7 CZ's 452's and current 455 in .17 HMR that is/was up on the block for something else.
I know of one documented case where a CZ owner is less than happy with his CZ and it is posted here on CGN and RFC .
You bought it to do what ??
I hope your not looking to spend $3.00 a box and expect 10 round bug holes cause it aint gonna happen, you might have to spend $20.00 a box for some seriously premium brand ammo to get that kinda accuracy.
Tight Groups,
Rob
Well looky, I'm a fan of CZ.22's.
So am I, just have been real disappointed in the factory barrel accuracy. As indicated in my first post in this thread, there are many good features about them.
I know of one documented case where a CZ owner is less than happy with his CZ and it is posted here on CGN and RFC .
Every month or two another user with 455 issues pops up on RFC. I have a wider experience base than a single 455 rifle However I have chosen not to post the full details on that at this time.
You bought it to do what ??
Hunt tree rats, shoot smallbore Silhouette and have a whack at the 1/2" challenge. If it couldn't do the challenge, no big deal but it should be darn close to being capable or at least outperform my semi-auto Remington 597... Seriously, it's supposed to be an "accurate" bolt gun. The accuracy provided made the rifle unfit for service doing anything other than plinking pop cans at 10 yards.
I hope your not looking to spend $3.00 a box and expect 10 round bug holes cause it aint gonna happen, you might have to spend $20.00 a box for some seriously premium brand ammo to get that kinda accuracy.
Please don't patronize me. $7-8/box SK is plenty capable of the desired 50 yard accuracy and I have a full selection of "primo" ammo for when I want to see what the rifle is really capable of or dabble in 100 yard shooting.
Now, before I really start to rant let's drop the subject there and allow the OP to give us his review on the new rifle, which I hope shoots lights out for him
So am I, just have been real disappointed in the factory barrel accuracy. As indicated in my first post in this thread, there are many good features about them.
I know of one documented case where a CZ owner is less than happy with his CZ and it is posted here on CGN and RFC .
Every month or two another user with 455 issues pops up on RFC. I have a wider experience base than a single 455 rifle
However I have chosen not to post the full details on that at this time.You bought it to do what ??
Hunt tree rats, shoot smallbore Silhouette and have a whack at the 1/2" challenge. If it couldn't do the challenge, no big deal but it should be darn close to being capable or at least outperform my semi-auto Remington 597... Seriously, it's supposed to be an "accurate" bolt gun. The accuracy provided made the rifle unfit for service doing anything other than plinking pop cans at 10 yards.
I hope your not looking to spend $3.00 a box and expect 10 round bug holes cause it aint gonna happen, you might have to spend $20.00 a box for some seriously premium brand ammo to get that kinda accuracy.
Please don't patronize me. $7-8/box SK is plenty capable of the desired 50 yard accuracy and I have a full selection of "primo" ammo for when I want to see what the rifle is really capable of or dabble in 100 yard shooting.
Now, before I really start to rant let's drop the subject there and allow the OP to give us his review on the new rifle, which I hope shoots lights out for him
Well looky, I'm a fan of CZ.22's.
So am I, just have been real disappointed in the factory barrel accuracy. As indicated in my first post in this thread, there are many good features about them.
I know of one documented case where a CZ owner is less than happy with his CZ and it is posted here on CGN and RFC .
Every month or two another user with 455 issues pops up on RFC. I have a wider experience base than a single 455 rifle
You bought it to do what ??
Hunt tree rats, shoot smallbore Silhouette and have a whack at the 1/2" challenge. If it couldn't do the challenge, no big deal but it should be darn close to being capable or at least outperform my semi-auto Remington 597... Seriously, it's supposed to be an "accurate" bolt gun. The accuracy provided made the rifle unfit for service doing anything other than plinking pop cans at 10 yards.
I hope your not looking to spend $3.00 a box and expect 10 round bug holes cause it aint gonna happen, you might have to spend $20.00 a box for some seriously premium brand ammo to get that kinda accuracy.
Please don't patronize me. $7-8/box SK is plenty capable of the desired 50 yard accuracy and I have a full selection of "primo" ammo for when I want to see what the rifle is really capable of or dabble in 100 yard shooting.
Now, before I really start to rant let's drop the subject there and allow the OP to give us his review on the new rifle, which I hope shoots lights out for him
Hi RabidM4U5,
I am not here to debate you on your CZ or your lack of success with CZ warrantee.
The former trout from Kamloops asked for an opinion.
I gave mine and gave props to your thread and disappointment with your CZ.
Of the 6 or so CZ rim fires I have owned I have never tried to prove what your testing has shown.
Mine have been accurate enough to shoot a dime at 25 paces in a gravel pit on more than one occasion.
I have been able to whack gophers out to an estimated 65 yards using CCI or AE hollow point ammo.
My experience with several CZ's in 452 and now a .17 HMR in 455.
No harm no fowl if you disagree with my choice of RimFire.
Hell, I am kicking myself for selling both of my Sako Fin Fires in the 94 action....
Fun guns, cheap to feed with semi custom ammo.
If kamlooky tries my suggestions and they are not up to stuff then fine, my credibility suffers... nope, not at all , it was just my opinion.
Tight Groups,
Rob
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You're relentless.
My experience with buying CZ's (including sight unseen) has been terrific. Each of mine have been of exceptional quality, and quite accurate. Having said that, I have no experience with the Supermatch.
And I should be, how my case was handled was wrong on all levels. Sorry, but not sorry, I'm never letting them off the hook for that.
If I may point something out, read the two following comments and go back a page and observe my response to them:
it should be a very nice rifle, with a very good likelihood of being a good shooter as well
It's a CZ.. can't go wrong
It's a certain way of phrasing things that just sets me off. Any allusion that all CZ's are perfect, super awesome shooters, bugholes all day guaranteed, poor man's Anschutz etc. is a false statement I feel compelled to counter. That's just the way it is. Keep your comments along the lines of "congrats, the new rifle should shoot well" and I have no argument, it certainly should shoot well when CZ's cost $600-$800... I think I'm doing a pretty good job these days not jumping into every thread that mentions CZ and immediately blasting them and posting all my crappy targets. Actually my first post in this thread, #5, was rather positive towards CZ. I just neutrally stated that accuracy expectations based on the merits of groove number alone should be no different than the average 6 grooves. If nothing has changed in their barrel making process other than the number of grooves on the mandrel, how do you expect to see any appreciable difference in accuracy potential? (see... there was another great opportunity to launch into a rant... but I refrain
)It's not clear why the first comment in blue is included as something that "sets" anyone "off" -- if it has indeed done so. It's my comment and it stands for itself as a valid observation. Based on my own experience with five CZ's, three of which shot very well, one was average, and the fifth, which was my first, a 455 American, was terrible. I posted about it here (https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1110923-New-CZ-455-22LR-is-it-ammo-picky-or-me) and on RFC around the same time. That rifle needed a new barrel to shoot well and it got one. Most CZ shooters report that they are very satisfied with their rim fire rifles, and four out of five times I couldn't complain.
Regarding the number of grooves in the barrel, I simply noted that this model is supposed to have twelve. By doing so I did not mean to imply that it would be any more (or less) accurate than the more commonly used six groove CZ factory barrel. I have made note of that elsewhere.
If I have misunderstood or misinterpreted anything, I apologize.
For the OP, you have every reason to expect a rifle that shoots one-inch groups or better at 50 yards, which is the standard that CZ USA tacitly accepts.
The first comment in blue, your comment grauhanen, did not put me into rant mode and is an example of what I will tolerate regarding CZ comments as my post #5 came after yours. The second blue comment is an example of what starts to bother me as you can see in how I responded to them.
I base what I say on a sample size of 5 CZ's, not just one like some of you may be thinking. 3/5 duds = 60% fail rate, 20% acceptable and 20% should be at least acceptable with a chance of being really good. That's not good, it may just be a statistical anomaly that I've encountered so many bunk CZ's or it may indicate a larger issue. When what I've identified as an issue in these rifles is officially passed off as "normal and acceptable" by CZUB, it becomes cause for great concern IMHO.
Good thing Captain Ronnie has arrived to right this ship with his helpful, informative and humorous posting!
Now everyone can sleep at night.
I own one. I have several .22 rifles, and the Supermatch is my favourite. It's Super Accurate. The trick is to find the ammo it likes best. I was shooting Eley Tenex, then found surprisingly, DynaPoint GTs work just as well. Hard to believe but it sure likes them. If you are looking for extra magazines, stick with the metal CZ ones. The plastic ones they were running for a while don't hold up.
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