Need advice.A buddy's daughter wants to start f-class practice next year........

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My friend came to me for advice this evening, and I told him I'd check with the experts here.
His daughter has really gotten into shooting this past 2 years (15 yrs old). Great girl, and enthusiastic about shooting. She has been shooting thousands of rounds of .22lr at 100m for score and competing weekly with good results. The past few months she has been shooting several of her DADS and MY centerfire rifles and doing a real good job of hitting the targets at 300 meters.
Her father is military and wants to encourage and foster her shooting as she shows real aptitude and discipline in the sport.

He came this evening and asked what I thought would be a good way to get her into longer range shooting. She has expressed a lot of interest, and has looked up F-class shooting on her own. Since there is no 1000m range up here, the shooting would be done on Frozen lakes to start as she develops her skill level, to eventually compete down south at F-Class competitions.
He wondered if his Husky 6.5x55 (sportered military rifle)could do the trick (with reloading of course) out to 1000m (or even 800). I told him that I thought it may be pushing it to shoot such a gun at that distance.
BUT, would such a gun be an ok starting point for a Re-stock and Re-barrel??
And if rebarreled, what would you guys think would be a suitable caliber for him to get the rifle chambered in? Remember, this is for a 15 yr old girl, so recoil is certainly an issue.
I thought possibly a heavy barrel (26") in 6.5 creedmore with a new stock that we would glass bed, and a new trigger.
Anyone care to venture a guess as to what something like this would cost? Would he be better off getting the girl a new savage 112 in a long range caliber? Or would he possibly get a better rifle going the gunsmith route with his Husky action?
Any and All suggestions would help. This girl is an awesome shot now, and in all honesty is almost on par with me. We would love to get her shooting the right way, and not spend a lifetime of trial and error. I wish I had someone to "show me the way" at her age, instead of having to learn EVERYTHING on my own. It would have saved me a HELL of a lot of time.
THANKS FOR READING , this young lady is truly a sweetheart, and is the most gentle, responsible girl I've met in many a moon. I feel honoured that her dad called me for help, and ask for some assistance from you guys and gals. This is the best hangout I've ever had.
 
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Rather than try to work up a sported surplus Mauser by rebarrelling and restocking it, it would be more effective to look for a retired TR class rifle, and install a decent scope.
Just last week I was looking at a Musgrave .308 target rifle with a scope base on it listed at $695. IIRC, there was a Sportco mentioned here @$550.
I think rifles like these would be better for starting out.
 
Yes brakes are completely allowed. I would think something from the ee (perhaps a 700 SPS or a savage in 260 or 6.5 CM) with decent glass would be a great option. a .260 with a brake has almost no kick. My .308 LR rig with a brake has no more recoil then my old .223 had for the record.
 
Is there a minimum barrel length requirement? I have a semi-custom vz 24 that was re-stocked, rebarreled (heavy bull barrel 24") in .308 win with a benchrest type stock (wide fore-end laminated and bedded. Maybe she could use that, or is the 24" barrel too short?
 
According to DCRA rule book for F-Class...

"Rifles - General. The principles of Rule 12.21 apply to all types of rifle used in DCRA
fullbore competitions. In addition, no rifle shall be fitted with a muzzle brake, flash eliminator,
flash hider, tactical vent or similar device which may cause muzzle blast to stir up dust or to be
deflected towards nearby competitors"
 
There are a variety of people out there offering accurized 700 actions on custom barrels with whatever stock you want for reasonable money. I would go that route in something like a 6.5 with a twist to handle the heavier pills.
Done right will do 1000 if she can do 1000.
 
According to DCRA rule book for F-Class...

"Rifles - General. The principles of Rule 12.21 apply to all types of rifle used in DCRA
fullbore competitions. In addition, no rifle shall be fitted with a muzzle brake, flash eliminator,
flash hider, tactical vent or similar device which may cause muzzle blast to stir up dust or to be
deflected towards nearby competitors"

Should this be interpreted as no muzzle brakes period or just no muzzle brake that would deflect gasses at an angle that might disturb the guy next to you??
 
Size has nothing to do with how much recoil a person can handle, she has to decide what her comfort zone is, the 6.5 swede will get out to 1000 but the light barrel may not hold up , and no muzzle brakes please. If you look for another rifle or rebarrel keep in mind the heavier the better, F/tr limit 8.15 kilo, F/o 22 kilo.
 
If you look for another rifle or rebarrel keep in mind the heavier the better, F/tr limit 8.15 kilo, F/o 22 kilo.

Correction/clarification (from the DCRA F-Class rulebook on their website) (bold emphasis mine)

... (a) .F Class “Open” (O) Rifles - An 'F' Class (O) rifle's overall weight must not
exceed 10kg (about 22-lb) including all attachments (such as, but not limited to,
its scopesight, sling and bipod, if any).

... (c) FTR – An FTR Class rifle is limited to .223 Remington or .308 Winchester caliber
chambers or their commercial metrification equivalents (...) The overall weight
must not exceed 8.25 kg including all its attachments.
 
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Yes brakes are completely allowed. QUOTE]

This is absolutely NOT correct.
You are not permitted to use muzzle brakes for any F-Class event.

As far as a good caliber/rifle - go with a 223. The recoil is negligible and she will not need to shoot against well funded F-Open class shooters as with the 6.5. I would probably start with something like the Savage FTR rifle. Those things shoot as well as anything out there. Make sure that if you go with a 223, you will need a barrel twist rate of 1:8 so you can shoot 80 grain Sierra Match Kings. Don't bother with any rifle with a 1:9 or slower twist rate.
 
Yes brakes are completely allowed. I would think something from the ee (perhaps a 700 SPS or a savage in 260 or 6.5 CM) with decent glass would be a great option. a .260 with a brake has almost no kick. My .308 LR rig with a brake has no more recoil then my old .223 had for the record.

?? :confused: ??

Never did see a single brake at Homestead or Bull Meadow.
 
Yes brakes are completely allowed. QUOTE]

This is absolutely NOT correct.
You are not permitted to use muzzle brakes for any F-Class event.

As far as a good caliber/rifle - go with a 223. The recoil is negligible and she will not need to shoot against well funded F-Open class shooters as with the 6.5. I would probably start with something like the Savage FTR rifle. Those things shoot as well as anything out there. Make sure that if you go with a 223, you will need a barrel twist rate of 1:8 so you can shoot 80 grain Sierra Match Kings. Don't bother with any rifle with a 1:9 or slower twist rate.

Sorry guys, my mistake. I am mistaking F-Class and Tactical.
 
Yes brakes are completely allowed. QUOTE]

This is absolutely NOT correct.
You are not permitted to use muzzle brakes for any F-Class event.

As far as a good caliber/rifle - go with a 223. The recoil is negligible and she will not need to shoot against well funded F-Open class shooters as with the 6.5. I would probably start with something like the Savage FTR rifle. Those things shoot as well as anything out there. Make sure that if you go with a 223, you will need a barrel twist rate of 1:8 so you can shoot 80 grain Sierra Match Kings. Don't bother with any rifle with a 1:9 or slower twist rate.

?? :confused: ??

Never did see a single brake at Homestead or Bull Meadow.

Sorry guys, my mistake. I am mistaking F-Class and Tactical.

Taken from BCRA site:
"The different classes of F-Class rifles…
◦F-CLASS TR (FTR)**
223 or 308 (or military equivalent 5.56 or 7.62 NATO) using any bullet weight.
Maximum 8.25Kg weight of rifle and all attachments
Any Sight (iron or optical)
Can be used with Bipod and rear bag or sling, no front Benchrest style shooting rests allowed
Any safe trigger weight
Matches are fired single-shot, no loaded magazines


◦F-CLASS OPEN
Any Non-Magnum calibre up to 8mm
Any sight (Optical or Iron)
Maximum weight 10 Kg or 22 lbs (combined weight of rifle and all accessories that recoil with the rifle)
Bipod or front rest (Forestock cannot be wider that 76mm if used with a front rest)
Any safe trigger


◦F-CLASS FACTORY SPORTER
Any factory-made bolt action firearm, with original unmodified factory barrel and action
Any type of sight
Front rest, front bipod or bags permitted along with rear bag
Maximum weight of 12 pounds with all attachments
No muzzle brakes of compensators (ie Remington VTR)
All F-Classes permit a rear bag, but cradles that support both ends of the rifle at the same time are prohibited."

The rules stated on BCRA's website only prohibit a muzzle brake in Fclass factory sporter.
 
I for one am curious on the effects of practicing on something like a frozen lake, as the OP mentioned, and then heading south for the match.

I've heard that temperature can play a role in point of impact at long ranges, or at least that's what some guys have blamed. Then again there's stuff like atmospheric pressure, which I have heard can really affect bullet flight.

How far off would your rifle be if you went from a frozen lake to one of the ranges down south?

Anyhow, I hope she has some good luck, whatever gun and caliber she goes with.
 
NOPE, no muzzle brakes in f-class, even if you won the argument (which you wont)
most, if not all matches have it noted- no muzzle brakes!
Also taken from I.C.F.R.A.

F2.12. Muzzle compensators or muzzle brakes are not permitted.

Hope to see some new faces next year..











The rules stated on BCRA's website only prohibit a muzzle brake in Fclass factory sporter.[/QUOTE]
 
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