Need Advice For IPSC Production Gun
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At least I listened to the 1st part of that... I'm having a hard time with the second bit of advice!
Maurice he did mention that he was somewhat on a budget. My preference is the Stock II as well, but JP (Current Canadian Production Champ) can shoot a stage roughly twice as fast as I can with a CZ Sp01 shadow.
It comes down to the nutz behind the gun that makes the difference.
What I have noticed is that most folks are shooting either a glock or a CZ variant. I used to think that folks shot a glock because they are cheapest way to get set up for ipsc. Well I bought one and to my surprise I am thinking that they may be a very decent gun for ipsc.
It comes down to the nutz behind the gun that makes the difference.
What I have noticed is that most folks are shooting either a glock or a CZ variant. I used to think that folks shot a glock because they are cheapest way to get set up for ipsc. Well I bought one and to my surprise I am thinking that they may be a very decent gun for ipsc.
Reliability and what fits my hand would determine what I would be choosing to compete with. If it doesn't fit you, its a poor choice. JBD, a Glock with a good set of sights would allow you to run with anyone. It's all about learning to shoot well with what you have, but reliability and familiarity would have to be my main concerns when making a purchase.
The thing to remember with the CZ and Sig style guns is that you need to transition from a double action to a single action trigger pull on just about every stage. You will get good at this, but it may take time.
To get around that (if you so choose) I'd recommend a striker fired gun similar to the Glock or M&P. In fact, I'd highly recommend the Ruger SR9. It's what I shoot in Production and I very highly doubt that I'll ever change guns.
It's inexpensive, yet very well made, it is very comfortable to hold and shoot and it comes with pretty decent sights right out of the box. Add to that its fantastic reliability and ruggedness, and for a striker fired factory gun, I don't think you'll find its equal.
(cue the Glock lovers!)
To get around that (if you so choose) I'd recommend a striker fired gun similar to the Glock or M&P. In fact, I'd highly recommend the Ruger SR9. It's what I shoot in Production and I very highly doubt that I'll ever change guns.
It's inexpensive, yet very well made, it is very comfortable to hold and shoot and it comes with pretty decent sights right out of the box. Add to that its fantastic reliability and ruggedness, and for a striker fired factory gun, I don't think you'll find its equal.
(cue the Glock lovers!)
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So this is my 2 cents if its even worth that. lol
I have only shot 18 IPSC matches now.
My 16 year old with his G17 and my 2, 13 year old boys, one G17 and one SR9, are going to do there Black Badge this year.
I started with the a G17. They eat any ammo and you just need to find the ammo that works best. All my Glocks like factory Winchester 124g ammo. Its easy to find holsters, sights and such for Glocks. Just leave the glocks stock and shoot them to learn the game first.
Now my last 3 matches I have used my new shadow. Got 2 of them.
Seem to be very picky when it comes to ammo. I tried 6 types of factory ammo and they were all okay. Then started to reload and tried a bunch of different combos. I now have a good load, that works in my 9mm guns.
If I was to do it over again. I would go with the SR9.
$500 brand new. I got one of the EE with 4 mags for $400.
Adjustable sights
Shoots just as good as a Glock
Adjustable back strap is nice
Bladetech makes a SR9 holster but the Bladetech DOH holster for a G17 works great.
#1 just get in the game and shoot. You will learn so much in your first few matchs that your head will want to explode. The guys are great and help so much.
Have fun
Sam
I have only shot 18 IPSC matches now.
My 16 year old with his G17 and my 2, 13 year old boys, one G17 and one SR9, are going to do there Black Badge this year.
I started with the a G17. They eat any ammo and you just need to find the ammo that works best. All my Glocks like factory Winchester 124g ammo. Its easy to find holsters, sights and such for Glocks. Just leave the glocks stock and shoot them to learn the game first.
Now my last 3 matches I have used my new shadow. Got 2 of them.
Seem to be very picky when it comes to ammo. I tried 6 types of factory ammo and they were all okay. Then started to reload and tried a bunch of different combos. I now have a good load, that works in my 9mm guns.
If I was to do it over again. I would go with the SR9.
$500 brand new. I got one of the EE with 4 mags for $400.
Adjustable sights
Shoots just as good as a Glock
Adjustable back strap is nice
Bladetech makes a SR9 holster but the Bladetech DOH holster for a G17 works great.
#1 just get in the game and shoot. You will learn so much in your first few matchs that your head will want to explode. The guys are great and help so much.
Have fun
Sam
I been shooting Shadow from the beginning and don't recall any issue with switching from DA to SA...
Don't forget, with striker gun, you are running 5lb trigger pull on every shot. While with double action, 5lb pull is only for the first shot.
Very true. I managed to dry fire a bunch of guns today at an IPSC match and the Glock will always have a harder trigger pull. It's kind of odd that it's not quite DA and not quite SA.
I tried a bone stock CZ SP01 Shadow and the trigger definitely can use some work. I tried a CZ SP01 with a trigger job and competition hammer and it feels WAY better.
Sig 226 was decent but trigger would need work as well and I am told trigger work on the sig is much harder than other guns. The Sig does have a decocker which is a nice safety feature.
Tried an STI gun (not production eligible) and wow, that is a nice feeling gun. It just "feels" like quality but it's outside my price range i believe.
Have you tried one with a trigger job? On the ones I tried, the trigger job made a very noticeable improvement especially on the DA pull.
When we were thinking about getting into IPSC, my buddy and I went down to the local range to see if they had any staff that did IPSC. We were lucky enough to get to spend an hour or so talking to Len at Phoenix in Edmonton. He set us up with several popular platforms and we shot them on the range. We both ended up going with the CZ SP01 Shadow, but your mileage may vary.
IPSC guys LOVE talking about this stuff. Find some in your neck of the woods, maybe see if there is a league night, and go talk to them. I'd be real surprised if there were'nt some people willing to let you handle their pistols or even try firing. That's the best way to get a sense of what feels right in your hand.
For your first gun, just get something that feels comfortable and doesn't break your budget. If you end up liking IPSC competition, it will NOT be your last pistol, just the one you started out on and figured out what you like and don't like with. So, no need to agonize over the choice.
IPSC guys LOVE talking about this stuff. Find some in your neck of the woods, maybe see if there is a league night, and go talk to them. I'd be real surprised if there were'nt some people willing to let you handle their pistols or even try firing. That's the best way to get a sense of what feels right in your hand.
For your first gun, just get something that feels comfortable and doesn't break your budget. If you end up liking IPSC competition, it will NOT be your last pistol, just the one you started out on and figured out what you like and don't like with. So, no need to agonize over the choice.
That is exactly what it is. It doesn't really matter what you start with, well maybe matters very little. Most of new shooting enthusiasts get into IPSC with very little shooting experience, which is better then those who already has establish himself with different shooting discipline. Coaching a total newb if he listen is easier then breaking bad habits of a guy who 'knows how', but it doesn't work for him yet - bad habits take over all the time.
I went to the range last Friday to help my good friend with his skills. He gets better every time we are out, however at the end of the session when we were packing up, one guy showed up. He was all new to IPSC, had some minor experience with pistols, still waiting for club ATT and want to do BB. He start looking at couple of my Infinities, so I let them shoot. I gave him 30 rounds. Target was a mini IPSC at 15m and am not kidding, he was shooting at some pace (at least a sec cadance), for sure not overaiming and squeezing. All went into A-C. Well my guns are great, triggers at 2lbs, good sights but still he was natural, rarely have seen something like that. Not many natural shooters there.
My point is this. Get yourself 'a' pistol you can easily buy ( I always say Glock, because its simplicity and ability of shooting same 5.5lbs trigger which can help later) and buy lots of ammo. Lots of ammo is not 1,000, go with 5,000 and find someone to help you out with your skills right at the beginning. You will save yourself a lot of aggravation and your skill will improve faster.
Good Luck
Totally agree with you but having also raced cars, I know that certain cars are the ones to have in the class and no matter how good you get, a driver with the same skill level that has better equipment is going to beat you.
Since the CS SP01 Shadow is so competitive and also feels good, trigger pull is nice and easy to modify and price is right, I am going to order one.
ps. I tried the Glock and didn't like that the trigger pull didn't really lighten after the DA pull. It is sort of always harder than the other pistols.
Thanks for the help everyone!
Yes. In fact probably the very one you played with (I had to miss the match Sunday due to a prior commitment). Without the trigger job the Shadow is still hands down a nicer trigger pull then you'll find on a production DA gun. Mine has quite a few rounds too so it might be a bit more broken in that a newer gun.
The lighter main spring may shave some time for really good shooters but for most guys it won't make a difference. I know it doesn't for me as a humble B (sometimes A) class shooter.
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I've had the pleasure to try the trigger on 3 different CZ shadows. One one stock, one had just the mainspring done and one had spring, trigger job and competition hammer. The one with the full trigger job and competition hammer was quite a bit better than the stock one. I also have a friend that has another CZ (that I have not tried) and he said he found the trigger pulls to be very diverse on even stock guns and he was lucky that his was pretty good.
You might have gotten a good one from the factory. I've had guns with trigger jobs before and have always found it made a very large improvement.
