Need advice on TRG 42 purchase

The TRG's have come way down in price as TSE has advertised. You can get a TRG-22 for $2600 now. I have shot 2 of them and they are a great shooting rifle. Super quality, but the above suggestions are right, you could have one of the good rifle builders up here build you a rifle that will out shoot a TRG.
 
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Steve David said:
The TRG'shave come way down in price as TSE has advertised. You can get a TRG-22 for $2600 now. I have shot 2 of them and they are a great shooting rifle. Super quality, but the above suggestions are right, you could have one of the good rifle builders up here build you a rifle that will out shoot it.
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There's a lot of over lay in this thread. We're talking 2 different animals here all together. Tactical rifles and benchrest rifles aren't the same. Different parameters all together. Benchrest rifles have aren't likey to withstand prolonged abuse or extremes of conditions. Tactical rifles will seldom win benchrest competitions.

So, what's the point here? None of this ".25 MOA all day long custom" won't mean a damn thing if you've got a 3moa shooter behind the trigger.

I don't see a logical progression here going from a .223 to a .3oo Win. Mag. Doesn't make any sense. Go something in .308 Win. if you're looking for something with a little more recoil. Hell, if you like the Sako so much, compromise some and consider a TRG-22.

Furthermore, the guy stated in the original post he was considering shooting precision rifle class. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be shooting F-Class TR competition any time soon. FWIW, I'd suspect a TRG-22 would be a great rifle for precision rifle class.

Here's something worth reading.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek069.html
 
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2bad4u2,

Not sure why you used my thread as an example of what you think is going in a differant direction. The original thread was about the TRG, and my thread simply states that TSE has them on sale and I specified the TRG-22 which is a .308, but I also said that one of the better builders up here could build a rifle for that $$$ that would out shoot it. Did I miss something or say something missleading?
 
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And for $6,000 I hope it gives great head too...:D .25 MOA all day? Perhaps, you should read this...

http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=005012
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Read the snipers hide thing, but am now confused as to where you were going.

I was answering a question regarding TRGs I have owned , by mbessy
However,
40 years ago when I learned to shoot " professionally", 1/4 moa was 4" at 1000 yards, still is to the best of my knowledge. I do not believe my 35 years of 1000 yard competitive shooting has been wasted. Most days with this rifle I can consistantly keep 5 shots just inside 4". Which I believe qualifies as a 1/4 moa shooting rifle. I may be old but I can still score a target.
The rifle gives no head but shoots extremely well and consistantly.
I agree with you that there is a difference betwwen BR rifles and Tactical rifles, I believe the TRG fit closer into the tactical rifle line than BR in which I admittedly, have very limited experience.
The latter part of most of the recent posts have been regarding the TRGs, having had 2, I believe should give me the right to express my experiences with them.
KK
 
Steve David said:
2bad4u2,

Not sure why you used my thread as an example of what you think is going in a differant direction. The original thread was about the TRG, and my thread simply states that TSE has them on sale and I specified the TRG-22 which is a .308, but I also said that one of the better builders up here could build a rifle for that $$$ that would out shoot it. Did I miss something or say something missleading?
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No, not at all. What you said was spot on as far as I'm concerned. Wasn't inferring that your comment was taking the thread in a different direction. I was referring to the general response to the thread as a whole, getting away from what the original poster said he wanted - a rifle to run in a precision rifle (sniper, tactical, whatever else you want to call it) program.
 
knockknock said:
Read the snipers hide thing, but am now confused as to where you were going.

I was answering a question regarding TRGs I have owned , by mbessy
However,
40 years ago when I learned to shoot " professionally", 1/4 moa was 4" at 1000 yards, still is to the best of my knowledge. I do not believe my 35 years of 1000 yard competitive shooting has been wasted. Most days with this rifle I can consistantly keep 5 shots just inside 4". Which I believe qualifies as a 1/4 moa shooting rifle. I may be old but I can still score a target.
The rifle gives no head but shoots extremely well and consistantly.
I agree with you that there is a difference betwwen BR rifles and Tactical rifles, I believe the TRG fit closer into the tactical rifle line than BR in which I admittedly, have very limited experience.
The latter part of most of the recent posts have been regarding the TRGs, having had 2, I believe should give me the right to express my experiences with them.
KK
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If you can keep 5 shots in 4" all day long, you're a legend within the shooting community.

Curious, why would you buy two of the most exotic and expensive factory tactical rifles with only very limited experience with the genre? Not doubting your word sir but that must have been a very rude awakening for you, would it not? What motivated you to buy these in the first place? What were your expectations? Surely, a man with 35 yrs. of 1,000 yd. shooting experience who was "professionally" schooled in the art, would know better?
 
2bad4u2 said:
If you can keep 5 shots in 4" all day long, you're a legend within the shooting community.

Curious, why would you buy two of the most exotic and expensive factory tactical rifles with only very limited experience with the genre? Not doubting your word sir but that must have been a very rude awakening for you, would it not? What motivated you to buy these in the first place? What were your expectations? Surely, a man with 35 yrs. of 1,000 yd. shooting experience who was "professionally" schooled in the art, would know better?
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I do NOT consider the TRGs to be either terribly expensive nor exotic. Just overpriced.
My DSR1 and Walther WA2000 are both expensive AND exotic. BOTH shoot, fit and feel considerably better than the TRG, no surprises there however.
Why would I buy these rifles? Same reason anyone else does, highly touted and I still have room in my gun room that and I collect Sako rifles, mostly older bolt guns.
The only "rude awakening" was that they were overrated for the task I believe they were meant to fill. Sako used to have a very good reputation, I guess with the company being passed around abit, they lost something I refer to as quality of workmanship.
My expectations were that the rifles should shoot better than they do, and fit better than they do.
And for the money be built better than they are.
I felt they failed to pass muster on all counts.
I am not truly sure why I need to justify this to you in the 1st place, but as you seem to need to know.

You should brush up on your reading skills son, I said "I believe the TRG fit closer into the tactical rifle line than BR in which I admittedly, have very limited experience." Meaning
I had limited experience with BR rifles.
Here at Quantico, Tactical rifles are like armpits everyone has a couple, some of us have several.
AND down here 4" groups at 1000 yards are pretty common.
KK
 
A minute of angle is just over an inch at 100 yards. That means that it is something over 10 inches at a thousand. Maybe 35 years ago 1/4 moa was 4" at a thousand, but I don't think that it is anymore.
At any rate, the thread was about moving from a T3 .223 to a TRG 42 in .300 Mag. Lots of opinions and suggestions, which is what Keebler750 was looking for.
 
I am not truly sure why I need to justify this to you in the 1st place, but as you seem to need to know.
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I'm not asking you to justify anything. Justify - no. Qualify - yes. My questions were natural. You've made some negative comments and I simply asked you why. Nobody forced you to post here did they?

Everything you've posted regarding the TRG is in stark contrast to what many other individuals, whose opinions I respect, have written about their experieces with this rifle.

Your opinion is your opinion. And to paraphrase you sir, opinions are like armpits everyone has a couple. :p
 
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I'm not asking you to justify anything. Justify - no. Qualify - yes. My questions were natural. You've made some negative comments and I simply asked you why. Nobody forced you to post here did they?

Everything you've posted regarding the TRG is in stark contrast to what many other individuals, whose opinions I respect, have written about their experieces with this rifle.

Your opinion is your opinion. And to paraphrase you sir, opinions are like armpits everyone has a couple. :p
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You are correct about opinions, I was strictly posting mine based on my experiences, nothing more.
I am not suggesting that the TRGs are a "bad" rifle, in my opinion ,for the money they command, there are other options that should be considered , regardless of caliber.
My experiences happen to be mostly with the bigger calibers and in tactical style weaponry. 308 being the smallest I own.
For what it is worth I feel the same about the highly accalimed Accuracy International rifles, not enough bang for the buck. This too, swims upstream, but many people and agencies firmly believe if it is spendy it must be good.
I have seen kids here kick ass, using basic kit when shooting against some of these "BIG" dollar rifles.
I am sorry if our opinions differ, being on this range for 25 plus years of active duty, has given me plenty of opportunities to shoot just about every rifle made.
I stand by my comments regarding "my" opinion of the TRGs. I believe that for the same money a better rifle , regardless of caliber can be built.
My apologies if I seem to have adopted an attitude, I am used to giving orders and not being questioned.
KK
 
Just my 2 cents again, i have done a lot of research on building vs. buying factory rifle and that, with the help of a lot of you guy on this web site and i have ended with one thing, there is NO warranty on ANY rifle factory OR custom built, most of the high quality rifle OR custom rifle WILL outshoot a lot of us, including me for sure so... i have ended with a TRG-42 in .338 LM for 3249.00$, brand new from my local Sako dealer wich, to me is NOT overpriced for the quality of rifle it is. 5000.00$ would have been too much for the TRG but 3249.00$ is fair, to mee at least. and like it have been said, tactical rifle is tactical rifle, benchrest is benchrest. They are not intended for the same use... just my 2 cent's

respectfully

Sendero
 
sendero said:
Just my 2 cents again, i have done a lot of research on building vs. buying factory rifle and that, with the help of a lot of you guy on this web site and i have ended with one thing, there is NO warranty on ANY rifle factory OR custom built, most of the high quality rifle OR custom rifle WILL outshoot a lot of us, including me for sure so... i have ended with a TRG-42 in .338 LM for 3249.00$, brand new from my local Sako dealer wich, to me is NOT overpriced for the quality of rifle it is. 5000.00$ would have been too much for the TRG but 3249.00$ is fair, to mee at least. and like it have been said, tactical rifle is tactical rifle, benchrest is benchrest. They are not intended for the same use... just my 2 cent's

respectfully

Sendero
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You got a GREAT deal on it at that price, down here they run in the $5000.00 range.
If the rifles sold here for $3000 or there abouts I would not have any issues with them as I feel that is more in line with what they are really worth.
Have fun with it.
KK
 
keebler750, decide if this rifle will be for fun/bling then competition or if you really want to compete and have the chance of improving to win. Of course, you need to decide which competition you are going to shoot in.

The SAKO is a very nice rifle and very accurate for a factory rifle. However, I have yet to meet a factory rifle that emboddied what was needed to compete even in a class supposedly designed for. There are just too many compromises.

Don't let cost be the deciding factor because you don't need to spend alot of money to win. It helps, but not necessary nowadays.

Think of it this way. You want to buy a Porsche (TRG). A fantastic street car and a lot of bucks. Mostly you will be driving it to work and personal satisfaction but you wouldn't mind getting out to a track racing day every now and then.

The first time you show up at the track. You look around and you see alot of 'simple' cars like Hondas and old RX7's. You feel pretty good that your full meal deal street rocket will do well.

5 laps in you realize that none of the Hondas spend much time or money on their taillights or exhaust pipes. All those little cheapie Hondas/RX7's are also getting alot smaller.

The Porsche however, looks much better in a driveway or cruising down the highway.

What do you want? Show or go?

www.6mmBR.com and visit the Guns of the Week. There are rigs that work in just about every rifle discipline. Gives you an idea of where that TRG fits into the grand scheme of things.

Jerry
 
Holy Heck Batman....I leave this thread for a while and come back to find a battle zone!!!!!

Well....I've been busy developing loads for my 270WSM and I also tried that particular gun out at 500yds. First group.....3 rounds into 6 inches off a rather unsteady rest about 4 inches to the 2 o'clock from POA.

....this is using an approximation of muzzle velocity from some chrony data, and that online JBM calc.

Personally, for me to get on paper like that makes me happier than all heck. I dialed the wind pretty well too, I figure. Not competition material, but I would have taken a coyote.

Now, as to all of your advice.....

I'm hearing "don't overdo it" and "make the best of the money for your intended class."

What about a used (400rds) HS Precision HTR in .308 with some mods and extras for about the same money? $3200....or.....

Could I build one cheaper....in time for next spring....and who would I turn to for help?
 
I'd buy the new Sako in a heartbeat over a used HS Precision rifle. If all you needed was a worked over Remington, I'd go the custom route as suggested before.

FWIW, I'm in the process of building a new stick based on items I've bought of the Equipment Exchange here. Some good deals to be found, if you're quick enough to get to it before someone else. lol.

I bought a stainless .308 Win SPS for $575 (new gun) and a new take off 700P stock and bottom metal for $350. I can recoup probably around $275 for the stock, barrel, and bottom metal from the 700P and leave me with an investment of $650. Add a Gaillard barrel for roughly $400 and gunsmithing of $500 to put it all together and true the action, for a grand total of around $1,550 - $1,650 before rings and bases.
 
Heck!!!! Why buy factory then?!?!?

I'd love to pick and choose components and have 'er built up!!!

Ok....fill in the blanks.... :) help me out here, boys......I don't know enough about all the bits!!!

Rifle for Precision competition

Caliber:

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Caliber: .308 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, .260 Remington

Action: Remington 700 SPS based rifle

Stock: HS Precision: 700P, VSF, LTR, VSSF take off stocks.

Barrel: Many choices. Buy Canadian. My choice is going to be a Gaillard or MacLennan.

Trigger: Stock 700 adjusted to desired weight.

Bolt: Huh? Standard 700 with Badger Ordnance oversized bolt handle.

Gunsmithing req'd: All depends on the work involved and who you get it done from. Expect between $500-$700.
 
An Idea for a Non traditional pole

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Rem700 SA trued (davidson ss plug)
Factory trigger tuned 1.2 lbs
30" McLennan 6.5 1n8 heavy palma taper
Chamber in 260AI Imp
MAK single shot Tube gun kit(includes 20 moa rail)
A1 butstock with 3 way adj pad
SPR grip
Redding 3 die set
RP brass ok requires fireforming (easy )

This was the first of a few of the tube guns I have built and I kept it reasonable investment for the first go.
Been shooting this caliber since back when it was known as a 6.5/308 Ackley Improved and like Mystic's 6.5 have tweeked it some over the years.It'll run
142SMK's at 2950FPS and plus if wanted with under 10fps ES and can do everything a 6.5/284 will do with less powder/less heat/less recoil (very efficient and scary accurate to 1000)
Only thing you need the smith to do is chamber and fit barrel and ensure action is trued.Assembly is a fairly easy DIY job with a bit of Devcon or JB weld.

My Later models have been built off of PGW M15 action and Barnard actions but Rem 700's work well.(The Tube sleeves the action increases it's strength and stiffness of the 700 for holding heavy barrels.
Kevin at MAK also makes repeaters and is working on 1.a Savage Kit and 2. a long action Kit.
This is set up as switch barrel gun (very easy) and also can switch buttocks and forends (squared , vented tubes ect ) for different applications.
Easy to convert target style set up to a shorter lighter hunting setup in minutes..
The latest version is a take down rifle, has 3 different buttocks ,2 bolts (308 and wsm faces)
2 trigger systems 4 different forends and 2 different pistol grips plus a recoil management system and 4 barrels 3 calibers with one more on the way.
You can modify your shooting system easily and add to or change as $ or needs dictate.
When you build it you can make it the way you dream it.
Define the purpose,design the gun and build your solution.
Just a thought for under some new gun prices
 
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