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Hi,
my brother was cleaning his rifle. He put a cotton swab over the cupper barrel brush. After this he tried to have it to pass trough the barrel from the chamber the muzzle. (Bad idea)

It made it about 4-5 inches before the brush to get stuck inside the barrel and disconnect from the cleaning rod.

He came to me in order to fix this but it is out of my knowledge on how to fix it.

How to fix this without damaging the bore or rifling.
Any advice?? Tricks??

Thanks!!
 
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you have to push it out in the direction the bristles point , so the way he tried to push it in. I would use a wooden or plastic rod and gently hammer the brush through
 
A little confusing...

Was it pushed into the barrel at the chamber? (I don't know why that is a bad idea)

If so the only way it disconnected from the rod was because he pulled back on the rod, not because he was pushing it through.

If this is how it happened... get some solvent into the barrel so that brush/patch are wet as well as the bore...

Then insert and screw the rod back onto the brush and try pushing it through the barrel.

If this doesn't work for you, take it to a gunsmith before it gets screwed up any more.
 
Hi, to clarify things, (The bad idea) was to put a cotton swab Over the brush to make it tighter to clean more easily. (My opinion)

From my point of view, my bro should have use the brush first and after put the cotton swab on the slotted end, not over the brush.


Thanks for your advices
 
Do as guntech suggests.

Wood and plastic will only break and jam more stuff in the bore. especially if it's a 22 cal bore.

I get this sort of thing all the time from neighborhood kids, jamming stuff down the bores of their BB guns and pellet guns.

Everything from bits of copper wire with the cladding still on to tacks, small nails and even straws filled with silicone caulking allowed to dry.

Then there are the folks doing exactly the same thing as the OP's brother??????? Yeah right, that stuff is always embarrassing.

I have several damaged cleaning rods of different sizes, to handle this situation from 17 to 30 caliber. Anything larger than that I have couple of one meter long brass rods for.

OP, if you use your rod as suggested by guntech, pour some cleaning fluid down the muzzle, such as liquid Wipe out or as suggested, KROIL. Kroil works but it takes longer. Any kind of light oil will work. Just give it a few hours to soak into the patch.

I suspect, from your description that the threads are stripped from your rod anyway or from the brush jag.

If your rod has a ball bearing, rotating handle, be very careful not to hit it to hard or it will jam the bearing beyond use. Still, it's a cheap fix if it works.

I also suspect you have an aluminum cleaning rod. Again, be careful with it. Use some patience and good sense when you're "TAPPING IT" through the bore, from the same end you originally started.

IF you tried to push it back, from the muzzle end, it may be jammed quite tight and be difficult to start. Once it starts and gets onto the pre lubed surfaces it should move a bit easier. DON'T GET IMPATIENT. Hitting the rod harder is not better.

It really helps if you have something to put the muzzle against that won't damage it. A block of Pine works well. A goof vice with aluminum jaws to hold the barrel works best. Most people don't have a decent vice, so the pin block will have to do.

Once the jammed brush comes up against the Pine block, you will have to figure out if you want to hold the barrel, while someone taps out the obstruction all the way or if that isn't possible screw a couple of blocks together, with a gap between them, wide enough to allow the brush to pass through.

Finally, smack your brother politely, or not, and tell him not to do that stuff any more.
 
Bearhunter,
That is a pretty much detailled recipe. I think that What we are about to follow. What about if We soak the brush with copper solvent? Do you think It’ll help this situation? Can it (melt) a bit of the cotton swab and the brush, To reduce obstruction?

Finally I figure that there is no magic solution but by using a cleaning rod to push it trough the barrel what are the risk of damaging the riflings?

Thanks again for taking the time to help us!
 
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A copper brush won't harm the rifling, a patch won't harm the rifling.

Copper solvent would weaken the brush - that would help I think.

What rifle and cartridge is this?
 
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446 said:
Bearhunter,
That is a pretty much detailled recipe. I think that What we are about to follow. What about if We soak the brush with copper solvent? Do you think It’ll help this situation? Can it (melt) a bit of the cotton swab and the brush, To reduce obstruction?

Finally I figure that there is no magic solution but by using a cleaning rod to push it trough the barrel what are the risk of damaging the riflings?

Thanks again for taking the time to help us!
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Wipe out dissolves copper, that's one of the reasons I suggested it. Don't expect miracles though.

You need to be careful with most cleaning rods. Most of them are STEEL, clad in rubber to protect the bore at the leade and muzzle. The brass tips have threaded STEEL inserts for the brush.

That insert needs to be covered, because there's no guarantee you're going to be able to get it back onto the end of your brush. On the rods I have, the inserts are ground off and a brass cover has been forced over the tip of the rod.

If you don't cover that STEEL tip with something, there is a very good chance you will damage your bore.

Just be careful. You seem to have a grasp of the issue and are trying hard not to make it worse.


Speak of the DEVIL, a young fellow from just down the road, left a pellet rifle on my patio, sometime this morning. It has a straightened coat hanger jammed into the bore of a Gamo 17 caliber break open springer. He left a note saying there are likely a couple of ink inserts, from cheap scrap pens, jammed in the barrel as well as wadded toilet paper, he jammed in behind the ink inserts to create pressure.

Good grief, there goes another couple of hours.
 
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muzzle loaders usually have a worm for the ramrod. I've dug amazing wads of crap out of barrels with this tool. If the above excellent suggestions don't work, or you want them to work better, get/borrow a worm and try picking away at the cotton swab, pushing the worm in the opposite direction of the stuck rod. Shredding and tearing up the tip of the cotton will only help when it comes time to push. Also if the cotton is shredded up, the brush may push past the swab.

Patience and perseverance are essential in using this tool.

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Hi Everyone One, *** PROBLEM RESOLVED***
We have combine a lot of advices found here.

We soak the bore in lubricating oil, for 4 hours. Then we found proper diameter wood dowel and tried to gently knock on top of the obstruction by the chamber to the Muzzle.

All wood dowels have cracked during the process, but they showed mark of the top of the tip of the brush.

So we decided to use the brush base and connect it over that and use the metal cleaning rods to push on it by using a Rubber Hammer.

It Works and got out easily without damaging anything. Thank god!!!! Rifling is Intact !

After all this, I showed my Dumb ass Bro how to clean it!


THANKS TO ALL, CGN Community, Really Rocks!
 
I would be avoiding using cleaning rods altogether unless you can re screw the brush back on most are hollow or too thin and might bend and although Aluminium is softer than steel it can scrape off some metal onto the rifling which sticks to the rifling. I usually use brass rod 1/4 .25 inch for .30 bores or 3/16 0.1825 inch for .22 bores and liberal use of electrical tape along the rod as noted above small rapid tapping can move things faster than hard single taps.
 
I think i would draw the line with the stupid pellet gun, LOL.
Gee that is about as bad as a fellow that tried to shoot a broken wood dowel over a jammed bullet with a live round, did not work.
 
marshall said:
I think i would draw the line with the stupid pellet gun, LOL.
Gee that is about as bad as a fellow that tried to shoot a broken wood dowel over a jammed bullet with a live round, did not work.
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The young fellow that dropped it off is a good kid, loaded with curiosity, as well as being very friendly, respectful and innovative.

He's around nine now and I've known him since he was born. My Jack Russel likes him as well.

If I'm doing something in the yard and he's not busy, he will volunteer to help, without fail. He's full of ideas and questions and is a computer whiz who has a real interest in firearms as well as how they work and why.

I spoke with his parents when he was five and they're OK with me teaching him how to handle firearms and learn to tye flies to fish with in the local creek.

His father and mother give him a lot of attention and make sure he's on the right path education wise and socially. Neither of them like to fish, shoot, hunt but like most Canadians could care less if others do. Not bad people for Dippers. They both work and do well, I like all three of them.

There were three pen cartridges jammed into bore. The real issue wasn't the pen cartridges. The plug happened from a piece of willow he had cut, trimmed, sharpened to fit the bore. It wasn't tight enough to seal and oval.

I sprayed some WD40 in the bore, from both ends, plugged the muzzle and breach, and set it aside for an hour. Then turned it over and set it down for another hour.

The whole mess freed up and pushed out easily, without even having to tap it.

We're going to chat in the morning about this sort of thing not being a good idea.

I've got an old single shot 22rf Cooey Ranger in the safe that hasn't got a bit of finish left on the outside. It's going to be a next spring project for they youngster.

Now I just have to talk his Dad into getting his PAL/RPAL. I have a feeling he could really get into handguns.
 
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I've got an old single shot 22rf Cooey Ranger in the safe that hasn't got a bit of finish left on the outside. It's going to be a next spring project for they youngster.
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Bearhunter, you sound like a great guy and that boy sounds like a great kid. A word on the single shot cooey though. I went that route for my young boy and it didn't really work out. Not sure if it's the same model but the pull back bolt on the cooey I had was just too hard for little hands. IMHO a cooey 60 would be better for little ones. I went little badger and never looked back.
 
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