Need CGN knowledge - non-res bolt action using AR parts

H Wally

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I'm looking for CGN's insight on an idea I'm following. As I'll be calling the CFC for possible direction I'm also hoping to get CGN's input so I can eliminate issues before approaching the CFC techs.
Since this is an area of law that I am quite unfamiliar with I'll need the CGN legalese gurus to help on this as well.


The concept:
I would like to make a bolt action rifle using an AR10 Barrel and bolt. I would like the gun to be non-restricted. Gun will NOT have a gas system, will use a proprietary trigger group based on the XCR or sks, and will have a proprietary receiver that doesn't fit any other AR parts other than the barrel. Receiver will be very short and incapable of housing a recoil system if someone tried to alter the gun to semi auto.

There are two options:
1) Traditional rotating bolt action. Tubular receiver, tube bolt with fitted AR10 bolt head.

2) Straight pull action. Uses a cut down and altered AR10 bolt as a straight pull bolt. Once again - no room or provision for gas system, recoil assembly or any standard AR parts.



My concerns are:
CFC will rule that because of the AR10 bolt head and barrel the CFC to rule the gun a variant of the AR10.
How does one go about building a firearm using AR parts and avoid being called a variant?


So - thoughts?
 
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H Wally said:
I'm looking for CGN's insight on an idea I'm following. As I'll be calling the CFC for possible direction I'm also hoping to get CGN's input so I can eliminate issues before approaching the CFC techs.
Since this is an area of law that I am quite unfamiliar with I'll need the CGN legalese gurus to help on this as well.


The concept:
I would like to make a bolt action rifle using an AR10 Barrel and bolt. I would like the gun to be non-restricted. Gun will NOT have a gas system, will use a proprietary trigger group based on the XCR or sks, and will have a proprietary receiver that doesn't fit any other AR parts other than the barrel. Receiver will be very short and incapable of housing a recoil system if someone tried to alter the gun to semi auto.

There are two options:
1) Traditional rotating bolt action. Tubular receiver, tube bolt with fitted AR10 bolt head. This already exists and a US member of the Homegunsmithing board has regularly imported it to hunt here in Canada.

2) Straight pull action. Uses a cut down and altered AR10 bolt as a straight pull bolt. Once again - no room or provision for gas system, recoil assembly or any standard AR parts. As long as the firearm is not semi-automatic, and does not use and is not compatible with either the upper or lower receiver, then it is not an ARxx rifle. Using parts from the ARxx rifle does not make it a variant.



My concerns are:
CFC will rule that because of the AR10 bolt head and barrel the CFC to rule the gun a variant of the AR10.
How does one go about building a firearm using AR parts and avoid being called a variant?


So - thoughts?
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You're over complicating this. It does not matter what parts you use, as long as it is not visually or functionally similar to an ARxx rifle, it cannot be classed as variant.
 
I don't know if the link will work for you guys, but here is the rifle in question:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=3;t=25639;st=0
 
Spoke with the CFC today and they said as long as it follows my idea of being bolt action only and does not use an AR receiver and is essentially a different gun, using the bolt group, extension and barrel is ok.




Blastattack said:
You're over complicating this. It does not matter what parts you use, as long as it is not visually or functionally similar to an ARxx rifle, it cannot be classed as variant.
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The function is my concern - using a bolt carrier group and barrel extension could be seen as being functionally similar.


Blastattack said:
I don't know if the link will work for you guys, but here is the rifle in question:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=3;t=25639;st=0
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Yep - essentially this.
 
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