Need help choosing a Scope

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I am a hunter first and have only bought my first FFP scope this year for my Bergara B-14 LH Trainer in 22 LR to try playing with the 22LR long range target shooting. But it is not meant for hunting. I went with the Burris Veracity 3-15x50...but could have went with the 4-16 or 5-20 as well. Being that it was on sale for $1000 helped in the decision at the time. The reticle at 3 power is almost useless, at least for me. The glass is very good and adjustments are smooth and reliable. Still learning to use this scope.

FFP is great for target shooting where your scope is constantly cranked up to the higher magnifications.
For most hunting, the SFP will be eminently more practical. Always carry it at the lowest power setting. If a longer shot presents itself, there is usually a little more time to crank the power up. At shorter distance opportunities, you usually do not get that little bit of extra time to crank the scope down, or you will miss the opportunity completely, because you mount the rifle and can only see hair in the scope, but cannot tell which part of the animal you are looking at!

You will need to decide what the majority of use this rifle/scope combination will preform and choose accordingly.
Terrain where you do the bulk of your hunting may also be a major consideration. Open prairie or large open terrain vs thick timber or a mixed bag of timber, meadows, felds, alpine and prairie will determine which scope is best for you. Not only just for FFP vs SFP, but magnification range as well.

If you are looking to get into hunting, a SFP scope will be more practical and a magnification range that tops out at 14-18 will suffice for just about any hunting you will do. I prefer the 2.5-8, 3-10, 4.5-14 power ranges for hunting...they are the most practical. 3-18 may be the largest I would look at...but for you, the 5-20 may be fine...
While most would have you believe that you will need to to take lots of 600 yards shots, most animals are taken are well under 200 yards, where the lower power setting will make it harder to use that FFP reticle, and even worse in low light conditions. In 38 years of hunting, my average shot distance on game is just 137 yards (10-475 yards over the years), and the big game animal I shot up in the alpine yesterday was at just 43 yards (my 4.5-14 worked just fine)! My wife's one shot opportunity was at 138 yards (her 2.5-8 was sufficient to the task).
If you get into the timber, you will want to be able to crank your scope down to the lowest power setting so you have a good field of view when needed for tracking game as it moves through the timber.

MIL or MOA...your choice...just learn how it works so that you are completely familiar with the adjustments and how to use it when needed.
Not an item you want to be wasting time looking up your phone when you should be preparing for a shot opportunity when hunting that may only be fleeting. You need to know and use as opportunity presents itself, or you will miss the only opportunity that may be presented. Keep it simple!

Illuminated scopes...again, only you can decide of this is important to you.
I never had one for many years, and now I have a few...but I hunt dawn to dusk, and in the dark timber...where a lighted reticle may prove to an advantage on a dark moose or a black bear in low light...or even if it is just a cloudy day, and in the shadows, it may be harder to see a reticle against a dark skin. I like having the option now. But as I get older, my eyes are not getting better! LOL
Carry a spare battery if you should need it...better to have and not need, then need and not have. Trijicon's tritium reticles are great for not requiring a battery, and they make excellent glass.

Vortex may have a great warranty...but in my experience when selling them, was they very frequently needed it (we exchanged cases of scopes each year under warranty)...I will never own one...but that's just me. I know lots of people have them and like them.
Leupold is a reliable, rugged product...that also has a great warranty. In 35 years, I have had to send two scopes in for warranty work, and one instance was not the scopes fault (slipped and fell on the rocks and banged the scope). The first instance the scope was mailed out fixed and mailed back; back on rifle in 11 days. The second instance was a scope this spring that was appearing fuzzy and hard to focus. The scope was mailed out, fixed, mailed back, in 10 days. Only cost was shipping out in both instances. Most of the scopes I own or have owned over the years have been Leupold. I now also have Swarovski, Trijicon, Kahles and Schmidt & Bender.

Hope you find what you are looking for.
 
Blackram - thank you for taking the time for the detailed write up. Much appreciated man. I started to question the ffp when I saw the Burris xtriii reticle. It almost looked non-existent on 3x. However my question to you would be this - for the ffp on low power would you not be able to illuminate that reticle and get a better picture of it? Wouldnt the illumination bring that smaller reticle up and define the crosshairs? Thanks again!
 
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Illuminating the reticle at low power will make it easier to see under lower light conditions for sure..but will it make it easier to define the reticle so that you can resolve it clearly is another question...my scope is not illuminated so I cannot tell you from first hand experience.
Having not used any other FFP scopes, I cannot say if they all perform exactly the same, or if the higher end makes and models will provide better performance in this regard. Hopefully others with more experience in this arena will provide more info.
Also your eyes may be better than mine and you may be able to resolve that reticle at low power. My eyes are definitely not getting better as I age and diabetes is also having an impact, as I am now forced to use reading glasses for small print and/or in low light conditions. 20 years ago my eyes could resolve small print and fine details just fine (pardon the pun), but not so much anymore.
 
Hey everyone, I just picked up a Tikka CTR IN 6.5 creed. I am going to use it at the range and maybe, if I can, get into hunting with it.

I am familiar with semis and handguns but precision or hunting is not my forte and I really don’t know much about it.

I know I want FFP over SFP and that I want MRAD over MOA. I want illumination. Whether I want 5x25 or 4x14 is where I am stuck. Conversely Leupold or Vortex. Cabelas had a viper pst gen 2 for $400 off right now in 5x25. Is this my ticket and the way to go?

Has anyone seen any other deals that would be enticing or comparable? The vortex warranty is nice but something more durable would be nice too or should I say, of better quality.

My price point is $1000-$1300. Is the anything worth considering under $1000? Anything good on EE so I don’t pay tax? Etc.

Thanks

For what it's worth, I just picked up a new nightforce shv off of a friend of mine....wow!!! What a great scope for hunting. Very happy, very impressed for that price point.
 
Take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I am a hunter first and have only bought my first FFP scope this year for my Bergara B-14 LH Trainer in 22 LR to try playing with the 22LR long range target shooting. But it is not meant for hunting. I went with the Burris Veracity 3-15x50...but could have went with the 4-16 or 5-20 as well. Being that it was on sale for $1000 helped in the decision at the time. The reticle at 3 power is almost useless, at least for me. The glass is very good and adjustments are smooth and reliable. Still learning to use this scope.

FFP is great for target shooting where your scope is constantly cranked up to the higher magnifications.
For most hunting, the SFP will be eminently more practical. Always carry it at the lowest power setting. If a longer shot presents itself, there is usually a little more time to crank the power up. At shorter distance opportunities, you usually do not get that little bit of extra time to crank the scope down, or you will miss the opportunity completely, because you mount the rifle and can only see hair in the scope, but cannot tell which part of the animal you are looking at!

You will need to decide what the majority of use this rifle/scope combination will preform and choose accordingly.
Terrain where you do the bulk of your hunting may also be a major consideration. Open prairie or large open terrain vs thick timber or a mixed bag of timber, meadows, felds, alpine and prairie will determine which scope is best for you. Not only just for FFP vs SFP, but magnification range as well.

If you are looking to get into hunting, a SFP scope will be more practical and a magnification range that tops out at 14-18 will suffice for just about any hunting you will do. I prefer the 2.5-8, 3-10, 4.5-14 power ranges for hunting...they are the most practical. 3-18 may be the largest I would look at...but for you, the 5-20 may be fine...
While most would have you believe that you will need to to take lots of 600 yards shots, most animals are taken are well under 200 yards, where the lower power setting will make it harder to use that FFP reticle, and even worse in low light conditions. In 38 years of hunting, my average shot distance on game is just 137 yards (10-475 yards over the years), and the big game animal I shot up in the alpine yesterday was at just 43 yards (my 4.5-14 worked just fine)! My wife's one shot opportunity was at 138 yards (her 2.5-8 was sufficient to the task).
If you get into the timber, you will want to be able to crank your scope down to the lowest power setting so you have a good field of view when needed for tracking game as it moves through the timber.

MIL or MOA...your choice...just learn how it works so that you are completely familiar with the adjustments and how to use it when needed.
Not an item you want to be wasting time looking up your phone when you should be preparing for a shot opportunity when hunting that may only be fleeting. You need to know and use as opportunity presents itself, or you will miss the only opportunity that may be presented. Keep it simple!

Illuminated scopes...again, only you can decide of this is important to you.
I never had one for many years, and now I have a few...but I hunt dawn to dusk, and in the dark timber...where a lighted reticle may prove to an advantage on a dark moose or a black bear in low light...or even if it is just a cloudy day, and in the shadows, it may be harder to see a reticle against a dark skin. I like having the option now. But as I get older, my eyes are not getting better! LOL
Carry a spare battery if you should need it...better to have and not need, then need and not have. Trijicon's tritium reticles are great for not requiring a battery, and they make excellent glass.

Vortex may have a great warranty...but in my experience when selling them, was they very frequently needed it (we exchanged cases of scopes each year under warranty)...I will never own one...but that's just me. I know lots of people have them and like them.
Leupold is a reliable, rugged product...that also has a great warranty. In 35 years, I have had to send two scopes in for warranty work, and one instance was not the scopes fault (slipped and fell on the rocks and banged the scope). The first instance the scope was mailed out fixed and mailed back; back on rifle in 11 days. The second instance was a scope this spring that was appearing fuzzy and hard to focus. The scope was mailed out, fixed, mailed back, in 10 days. Only cost was shipping out in both instances. Most of the scopes I own or have owned over the years have been Leupold. I now also have Swarovski, Trijicon, Kahles and Schmidt & Bender.

Hope you find what you are looking for.

Good advice. Agree. - dan
 
Blackram - thank you for taking the time for the detailed write up. Much appreciated man. I started to question the ffp when I saw the Burris xtriii reticle. It almost looked non-existent on 3x. However my question to you would be this - for the ffp on low power would you not be able to illuminate that reticle and get a better picture of it? Wouldnt the illumination bring that smaller reticle up and define the crosshairs? Thanks again!

Most illuminated scopes I have owned simply illuminated the dot where the stadia cross in the scope. I haven't found them to be a particular advantage, except in very low light (ie; at the very end or beginning of legal shooting times). And no advantage for longer shots to my eyes. - dan
 
Coco -I've followed this out of interest and wanted to say a bit more. You're right about the Illuminated scope at Low power. I've not used my 'Illum' function on my 8-34x56 Athlon Argos BTR Gen-II FFP-MOA, so I went down and checked it out. At 8X the reticle looks pretty large and Very Bright (when at highest brightness-12 levels avail) to me - fills about 1/2-3/4 of the lens - and is FULLY ILLUMINATED, Not just the dot. The 'hold bars' do look sorta small but that's not the point of using the LOW mag, it's just an aimiing point for hunting under 200 and the 'tree' reticle does a good job of that. I use this for targets and at 180yds I need to drop down to ca 20X to 'see enough' hold bars at the bottom, to hold for that distance with 22LR I needed 19MOA-bars. That's the disadvantage I found (didn't read specs correctly) with this Argos scope - only 45MOA Total available. I mis-read as 45 Up & Down! but I still got a ca 6" group at that distance - only tried once due to wind. At 50-yds with 34X I can see the 'starburst' of paper tears on the 22lr holes.
Hope this helps.
 
Hey guys so I’m in pretty much the same situation as Coco, figured I should ask here rather than staring a new thread.

I want to use my CTR as a deer/target rifle but I cannot decide what magnification to go with. For the scope, I have a buddy who can get me a good deal on Athlon and the Ares seems to have everything I’m looking for without getting crazy expensive.

I was thinking the 3x-18x would be the best for both, however that does start to get heavy for a deer gun and I’m afraid it will leave me wanting for more magnification if I do more long distance shooting. My range is only 50 yards but I do have access to a 300 and maybe 600 yard range also in the future I might like to get into precision shooting. If I went with the 4x-30x it would be pretty unusable for deer and way overkill for my home range. I do have Bushnell Elite 1x-6.5x that I might as well pull off my AR and that would work ok for my range and deer, but also not ideal. I can’t make a decision and I could really use some help. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 
Hey everyone, I just picked up a Tikka CTR IN 6.5 creed. I am going to use it at the range and maybe, if I can, get into hunting with it.

I am familiar with semis and handguns but precision or hunting is not my forte and I really don’t know much about it.

I know I want FFP over SFP and that I want MRAD over MOA. I want illumination. Whether I want 5x25 or 4x14 is where I am stuck. Conversely Leupold or Vortex. Cabelas had a viper pst gen 2 for $400 off right now in 5x25. Is this my ticket and the way to go?

Has anyone seen any other deals that would be enticing or comparable? The vortex warranty is nice but something more durable would be nice too or should I say, of better quality.

My price point is $1000-$1300. Is the anything worth considering under $1000? Anything good on EE so I don’t pay tax? Etc.

Thanks

Since Athlon has come up a few times, I will chime in.. I am an Athlon dealer and have used most of their products in my competition and LR shooting.

In the HD lineup, the newer Helos BTR Gen 2 and the Heras family are the ones I would lean you towards. The Helos is FFP, the Heras has some SFP.

Me, I have moved all my rifles to the Helos BTR G2 6-24X56 FFP MIL. Glass punches way above its price point and the best versions in the Athlon HD lineup.... even when comparing costs (especially when comparing costs). If you don't want a 34mm scope, then the 4-20X50 is a gem. I much prefer the 34mm options and all my scopes where this tube size now.

This is a big scope and heavy so maybe not ideal for hunting. I run the scope in the 10 to 16X range and enjoy using it towards 1 mile with ease. I can see 22 cal holes in the white at 300yds when mirage is low.

the Heras does have a 6-24X56 FFP with a 30mm tube. Travel is much lower vs the 34mm tube options but still plenty to reach out a very long ways. Still a heavy scope.

Either family is well below your budget which makes it one of the best deals in a precision optic.

pm or email if I can help with an optic.

I can also supply Delta... the Javelin is a fantastic scope with pricing right on your max range. a 4.5-30X56 34mm tube FFP scope with a ton of great features, really nice glass. This is the cousin to the Athlon Ares ETR of similar spec.

Jerry
 
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