Need Help Identifying .22 Long Gun and .38 Revolver (PICS)

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Hey guys, can anybody tell me what these are, they belong to my father. He would like to know, what year they were from, and what value they hold in the current shape. Thanks


The first one is the .22 there was words written on top of the barrel I think they were German or Deutsch not sure.

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Second is the .38 Revolver


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The revolver shoots great, just looks in bad shape.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Your ancestors had interesting, and frugal, taste. :)

The .22 is a Deutsche Werk Model 1. German, pre-war. We bought ours for $125 a couple of years ago, and it's not as well-maintained as yours. They were very popular in the west. My dad recalls them being given away for selling magazine subscriptions. Remarkably accurate for what they are, and simple enough to be built in a prison metal shop if necessary. The coin in the buttstock is classy as hell, but not factory. What's the patchy looking bit behind it?

Here's a video:

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...and a neat little basic article:

http://www.arms2armor.com/Firearms/DEUTSCHEWERKE22LR.htm

The revolver is an Iver Johnson of some sort - their trademark owl on the grip gives it away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iver_Johnson

Not an expensive revolver by any means, but neat, and built well enough to manage the cartridges they were chambered for. Yours in likely in .38 Smith and Wesson, NOT .38 Special. Hardly a powerhouse, but effective at handshaking ranges. The barrel tatch appears to be broken, and the nickel plate is giving up the ghost.

They don't go for a lot of money these days. If the barrel is <105mm, the value is much less, as not everyone has their 12.6 certification. One valuable use - if your Dad is a 12.6 guy, he can bequeath this revolver to you, making you a 12.7 guy. He need not die to do this. If there are any other pre-1946 12.6 pistols out there you've lusted after (PPK? 4" Luger? Colt 1903 Auto?) he can buy those and bequeath them to you as well...

Warning - once he hands over his last 12.6 gun to you, he can no longer buy or possess 12.6 guns again.

Neat stuff!

Dan
 
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Dark Alley Dan said:
Your ancestors had interesting, and frugal, taste. :)

The .22 is a Deutsche Werk Model 1. German, pre-war. We bought ours for $125 a couple of years ago, and it's not as well-maintained as yours. They were very popular in the west. My dad recalls them being given away for selling magazine subscriptions. Remarkably accurate for what they are, and simple enough to be built in a prison metal shop if necessary. The coin in the buttstock is classy as hell, but not factory. What's the patchy looking bit behind it?

Here's a video:

[youtube]74AZ5wyA9Bw[/youtube]


...and a neat little basic article:

http://www.arms2armor.com/Firearms/DEUTSCHEWERKE22LR.htm

The revolver is an Iver Johnson of some sort - their trademark owl on the grip gives it away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iver_Johnson

Not an expensive revolver by any means, but neat, and built well enough to manage the cartridges they were chambered for. Yours in likely in .38 Smith and Wesson, NOT .38 Special. Hardly a powerhouse, but effective at handshaking ranges. The barrel tatch appears to be broken, and the nickel plate is giving up the ghost.

They don't go for a lot of money these days. If the barrel is <105mm, the value is much less, as not everyone has their 12.6 certification. One valuable use - if your Dad is a 12.6 guy, he can bequeath this revolver to you, making you a 12.7 guy. He need not die to do this. If there are any other pre-1946 12.6 pistols out there you've lusted after (PPK? 4" Luger? Colt 1903 Auto?) he can buy those and bequeath them to you as well...

Warning - once he hands over his last 12.6 gun to you, he can no longer buy or possess 12.6 guns again.

Neat stuff!

Dan
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AK said:
Your revolver is an Iver Johnson Safety Hammer. Likely early 1900s, value - not much. I have one in ok shape with a broken trigger return spring, and I don't think I can give the thing away. If yours works and has sentimental value you can inherit it as a 12(7) Inherited Handgun.

http://www.nramuseum.org/the-museum...stry/iver-johnson-safety-hammer-revolver.aspx
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He had it refinished, not too sure about the patchy looking bit, if it was there when the factory made it, or it appeared after it was refinished. The coin was probably installed after also.
Thanks alot guys, I love the history, can never get enough. Im addicted :)

Funny part is I have this picture on my laptop, thought it was neat so I kept it. I like the messages of how relax people where back then with firearms. We came along way!


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The "coin" in the stock is not a coin.

It is a Canadian 60th Anniversary of Confederation medallion, solid bronze, of the type given to school kids.

Size of a quarter, twice as thick.

Other side has the Canadian Coat of Arms as they existed in 1927. Likely it gives you a time-frame for the gun.

This replaces the original stock inletting, which was a stylised letter "D", raised, in wood. They chipped badly, very easily, and often were removed/lost/replaced.

Generally, you had to sell 10 newspaper or magazine subscriptions to get one of these. They sold for $1.25, back in the 1920s when Germany was trying desperately to get their economy running again after the disastrous 1922/23 inflation.

Yes, they were superbly accurate, but modern shells are much too high-pressure for most of them: bases blow out and the thing spits gas and brass into your left wrist. The CURE for this is to use Subsonics; you will get ALL the accuracy which these FINE little rifles can deliver.

NEAT toy!
 
smellie said:
The "coin" in the stock is not a coin.

It is a Canadian 60th Anniversary of Confederation medallion, solid bronze, of the type given to school kids.

Size of a quarter, twice as thick.

Other side has the Canadian Coat of Arms as they existed in 1927. Likely it gives you a time-frame for the gun.

This replaces the original stock inletting, which was a stylised letter "D", raised, in wood. They chipped badly, very easily, and often were removed/lost/replaced.

Generally, you had to sell 10 newspaper or magazine subscriptions to get one of these. They sold for $1.25, back in the 1920s when Germany was trying desperately to get their economy running again after the disastrous 1922/23 inflation.

Yes, they were superbly accurate, but modern shells are much too high-pressure for most of them: bases blow out and the thing spits gas and brass into your left wrist. The CURE for this is to use Subsonics; you will get ALL the accuracy which these FINE little rifles can deliver.

NEAT toy!
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Thanks Smellie, can't wait to tell him about the history you guys rock :rockOn:
 
We had these " German .22's" around lots when I was a kid.
They are neat but they are so simple that they are...umm... bereft of adequate safety mechanism's?
Not a good kids gun. They would seem like a perfect kids gun to look at but it would take me about 2 min's to prove why they are not. And that 'they have a safety notch' doesn't fly. Engage the safety notch and drop it...maybe you'll be OK...maybe not.
Very neat little guns but I didn't argue when my sisters got them. A Cooey 39(# ?)is a much safer bet for anyone less than proficient with various firearms.
Again; neat little guns, just don't turn the kids loose afield with one...unless they really know about safety. Really being real world usage, not 'I took the course' safe.
 
tokguy said:
We had these " German .22's" around lots when I was a kid.
They are neat but they are so simple that they are...umm... bereft of adequate safety mechanism's?
Not a good kids gun. They would seem like a perfect kids gun to look at but it would take me about 2 min's to prove why they are not. And that 'they have a safety notch' doesn't fly. Engage the safety notch and drop it...maybe you'll be OK...maybe not.
Very neat little guns but I didn't argue when my sisters got them. A Cooey 39(# ?)is a much safer bet for anyone less than proficient with various firearms.
Again; neat little guns, just don't turn the kids loose afield with one...unless they really know about safety. Really being real world usage, not 'I took the course' safe.
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I can't wait to teach my son all about firearms and how to handle them safely, to treat them with respect, and to teach him how to shoot. Im going to start him off on a pellet gun, then get him a Cooey, and once he is proficient move him up to the big boys. I believe everyone should be thought about firearm safety, to treat every firearms loaded, until made safe, then maybe we wouldn't have so many kids on kids shooting, but then again thats should be the parents duty to see that through, whether you have firearms in the house or not. :)
 
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