Need help identifying these two cartridges

[1 ozzy]

Trying to identify these cartridges from my collection, any help would be great.s1378.photobucket.com/user/1ozzy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6wj2cyqg.jpg.html]

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[Alberta Woodsman]

No idea on the first. The second appears to be a 50-70gov't except for the fact that it is too long. Other wise the dimensions match, maybe some type of 50-80 wildcat? Not sure cause it's not long enough to be a 50-90.

 

[Brutus]

I am 99.9% sure the first one is a 9mm Flobert BB cap, most probably manufactured by RWS or Dynamit Nobel.

 

[1 ozzy]

I thought it was a 50/70 at first too but it is too long as u stated. I'll do some checking on the Flobert. Thanks guys.

 

[green]

Second is a 50-95 Winchester.

 

[Brutus]

COTW has one possible for the .50 centrefire;

-50-95 Winchester, but the rim diameter differs somewhat. That bullet does appear to be made to feed through a tubular magazine though?

 

[Silfield]

Does this help with the first one?
http://www.oldammo.com/july04.htm

 

[1 ozzy]

You bet I have the third from left top pic. It is definitely the 9mm Flobert. I recently inherited a fairly large collection of obsolete ammo. I'll post some more pics as I am going thru them. Tons of stuff I hadn't seen before. I'll lol at the dimensions on the 50-95.