Need Help/Info m38/m44

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So I was at a garage sale this weekend and found a nice wall gun rack for 1$

So I'v decided I will put Russian rifles on the rack, Starting with a 91/30, SKS, SVT 40, and there is one more spot to fill....

So my question is whats the difference between a m38 and an m44, Is one better than the other? What do you suggest to fill the empy slot?
 
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Get both of course.

The only difference is that the M44, sometimes hits in a different spot depending if the bayonet is extended or not.

Lou
 
Adding to Lou: The bayo makes the rifle heavier, and also gives it the badass factor. Something else to think of is that the bayo may make it difficult to fit into the rack (I know I've had that problem).
 
The M38 was a transitional step in Russian arms development between the 91/30 and the M44 so you really should have both. Anyway, it's all academic 'cause more rifles is better.

Your original post should have included a pic of your new rifle rack and a request for help finding more to match it... :p
 
The M38's were most likely used in combat, and may be well used. (counterbored). The M44's were manufactured in great numbers, but most of them were stockpiled and saw no service use. Depends on what you like-I have an 1944 Izzy M44 that is in like new condition, but I wouldn't mind a "war horse" M38 that has seen (and maybe written) some history.
 
The M38's were most likely used in combat, and may be well used. (counterbored). The M44's were manufactured in great numbers, but most of them were stockpiled and saw no service use. Depends on what you like-I have an 1944 Izzy M44 that is in like new condition, but I wouldn't mind a "war horse" M38 that has seen (and maybe written) some history.


I also like the wartime expedient "angry beaver" machining and "hurry-up-and-get-this-done-before-the-next-air raid" stamps and markings ;)

The two East Germans I got from P&S last year shoot pretty good too.
 
The M38's were most likely used in combat, and may be well used. (counterbored). The M44's were manufactured in great numbers, but most of them were stockpiled and saw no service use. Depends on what you like-I have an 1944 Izzy M44 that is in like new condition, but I wouldn't mind a "war horse" M38 that has seen (and maybe written) some history.


As with many parts of the Mosins history, yes and no. :D

In 1938 a 40” carbine was adopted as the M38, but did not go into production until 1939. It is essentially a shorter version of the M91/30 and was built at Izhevsk until 1945. There was limited production at Tula in 1940 and 1944 and both arsenals built some M38s on recycled round and hexagonal receivers. Tula and hex receiver M38s are uncommon at the least and sought after by collectors as are 1939 and 1945 dated examples. The M38 was not designed to accept a bayonet since it's intended use was by rear area troops.

In 1941 some minor changes were made to the receivers to speed up production. The most noticeable is known as a "high wall" which is simply the absence of the dished out area to the left of the ejection port. The degree of finish was greatly reduced at this time too, most noticeably on Izhevsk rifles and carbines with 1943 production showing the greatest haste.

In 1943 some 50,000 trials carbines were built and tested in battle. They are essentially an M38 with an attached side-folding bayonet and were adopted in 1944 as the M44. Production continued until 1948. As with the M38, most production occurred at Izhevsk with Tula and hex receiver examples being less common and more sought after. Minor changes occurred during M44 production with two (early and late) primary types of bayonet locking systems, an early and late type of front sight, and a reversion to "low wall" production in late ‘45/early ’46.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/Mosinprimer.htm
 
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