need help, m305b maintenance

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so i bought the m305b, the first rifle of my own possession, and the first rifle I've handled that has a gas system. unfortunately I'm over my head already, right now with disassembly, i own only the most basic of tools, and while i was stripping it to clean i found out that the adjustable wrench i do have doesn't have forks large enough to grab both the barrel and gas chamber so that i have something solid to turn against to remove the gas chamber plug. i know this was originally built as a battle rifle, but i treat it as if its made of glass due to my novice understanding of it, and wish not to damage it, or even scratch it for that matter.

so the issue at hand right now for me is i need an inexpensive gas disassembly tool/wrench asap, on a cursory inspection across the internet they seem to be about $20-40, but who has them in Canada? preferably east coast if it saves a day or two of shipping.

thanks for any help you can provide
 
Go purchase a larger crescent wrench, that'll fit around the g/ass'y; as well you could pad a screwdriver (rag) and wedge it b/t the assembly and the barrel; the USGI manual suggests using a round of ammo to do the same thing. ...how you'd get leverage with that I don't know, but there it is.
 
Go purchase a larger crescent wrench, that'll fit around the g/ass'y; as well you could pad a screwdriver (rag) and wedge it b/t the assembly and the barrel; the USGI manual suggests using a round of ammo to do the same thing. ...how you'd get leverage with that I don't know, but there it is.

a larger crescent wrench, at least at canadian tire, cost as much as the m14 gas wrenches i could find online ($20-30) which is why i asked about canadian supplier, perhaps i overstated the expediency that i was this done, I'd like to have this rifle cleaned and ready to go in the next week or two, the reason i want to get the gas wrench from a canadian supplier is I've have too many bad experiences from goods being held up at the border for weeks, like this one time i ordered 30 pounds of powered egg whites..... i think the dog smelled something tasty.

Anyways. if you think i can get the torque i need to take off and put back on the nut by holding the gun between my legs, i'll give it a try, but i'd still like a link to a canadian distributor for the wrench if anyone knows of one
 
a larger crescent wrench, at least at canadian tire, cost as much as the m14 gas wrenches i could find online ($20-30)

True, but it sounds to me like you could use a large crescent wrench! :D I say the hell with specialty tools when you can find an everyday tool to do the same thing, but that's just me.

Once you get your first scratches on that old pig, you will be slamming it around like the bit@h it is! :eek:
 
Check the butt stock for all the tools you need, including a gas wrench. These work fine.
:agree:
This is the tool that can be found in the butt stock under the metal flap;
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Also the armory manual also stats that you can use a flat head screw driver to apply counter force instead of a gas wrench but be careful as this can cuase maring if not done properly. So place it between the barrel and gas cylender on an angle;
M14-gas-system1.jpg

Here is a step by step how to;
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2469258/m14-Disassembly
 
wtf?- download fm 23-8 and take the time to read it- you don't USE a CRESCENT wrench for ANYTHING- you do use your COMBINATION TOOL for a great many things, and the only thing that isn't your buttstock kit is the allen key for the front sight, and that is in the usgi kit, but not the chinese knockoff- i wish you guys would take the time to properly research your new guns or take a course and you'd KNOW this stuff- you can also use a socket and ratchet to loosen/tighten the gas plug- why you don't use a crescent is that they slip, and then you get a ROUNDED gas plug that you have to mill a slot in so you can seat it properly- if you don't have a combo tool, a 3/8ths box/open end( use the box end) will do temporarily- you just need to break/seat the seal- great pressure is not needed- you use the same wrench to tighten the stabilizer and tighten the screw on the usgi bipod
 
M14 Doctor Bolt Disassembly Tool (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcQsPhgT08

M14 Doctor Bolt Disassembly Tool (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV0RbUO4SM

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUMV1E8iiC0

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svJ-j9v_5pI

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuX_xPPfjBk

M14 Disassembly and Reassembly (full auto)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oi9GGdPPds

Rifle Grease Locations for M14/M1A Rifles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InhCD2UAtsw

M14.ca Presents, The Vancouver Island M14 Seminar (another grease spot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohvuNREigCY

M14.ca Presents, Part II of The Vancouver Island M14 Seminar (headspace guages)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xv_77aTPE

Norinco M14 Flash Hider Removal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xf0M9uAjks

Norinco M14 / M305 part 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_eEW0WRi3g

Norinco M14 / M305 part 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6zKwuak0c

Norinco M14s Field Strip (extremely clear video of little bits)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYqeyISsezo

Norinco M14s Trigger Group Disassembly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTKfwdmMvVQ
 
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All very helpful to have it all in one spot. I vote for a sticky here!!



M14 Doctor Bolt Disassembly Tool (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcQsPhgT08

M14 Doctor Bolt Disassembly Tool (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV0RbUO4SM

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUMV1E8iiC0

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svJ-j9v_5pI

M14 Instructional Video from the D.O.D. Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuX_xPPfjBk

M14 Disassembly and Reassembly (full auto)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oi9GGdPPds

Rifle Grease Locations for M14/M1A Rifles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InhCD2UAtsw

M14.ca Presents, The Vancouver Island M14 Seminar (another grease spot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohvuNREigCY

M14.ca Presents, Part II of The Vancouver Island M14 Seminar (headspace guages)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xv_77aTPE

Norinco M14 Flash Hider Removal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xf0M9uAjks

Norinco M14 / M305 part 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_eEW0WRi3g

Norinco M14 / M305 part 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6zKwuak0c
 
I wish there was a way to make a post editable by everyone, kind of like a wiki, so we could build one major video tutorial guide.

My problem is when I'm watching youtube videos, you never know if the guy giving advice knows his stuff. I talked to 3 different gunsmiths about my m305, and every one of them gave me different advice on how to accurize it.
 
I wish there was a way to make a post editable by everyone, kind of like a wiki, so we could build one major video tutorial guide.

My problem is when I'm watching youtube videos, you never know if the guy giving advice knows his stuff. I talked to 3 different gunsmiths about my m305, and every one of them gave me different advice on how to accurize it.

well, there's a couple of guys on this board that have PROVEN themselves and i'd trust- if their advice coinicides with what the gunsmith says, then maybe he knows what he's talking about- namely, m14 doctor and hungry, just off the top of my head- as far as accurizing a particular rifle, it's a CRAP SHOOT- anything MAY OR MAY NOT improve the accuracy- if you're shooting moa at 100 yards , there's not much you can do to "improve " that- if anything, you may expand the group - aside from unitizing the gas system, and a few other things, a great deal may be realized from LOAD DEVELOPMENT
 
Just looking for thoughts on if any of this makes any sense.
i.e. Are these reasonable products, or unreasonable products, for a 305B cleaning and check before first load/fire.

Skullboy said:
Removing the Cosmoline/Packing grease your New M305/M14.

Simple Green works good for degreasing firearms.I used the concentrated stuff and diluted it as needed, then wiped the rifles down with Isoprophyl Alcohol and a final wipe down with G96 gun oil.

A toothbrush is good for scrubbing the parts.You just need to field strip the rifle.You do not have to remove the gas system from the barrelled action to clean it.

You want to make sure you do a good job on degreasing the trigger assembly and bolt.

Lubricating the M14 Type Rifles.

The only two thing you want to lube with gun oil are the trigger assembly pivot points, and the firing pin.All other lubing should be done with a good quality grease.

You want to grease the following areas:
-Bolt roller
-bolt lugs
-The bolt tracks inside the reciever
-the underside of the bolt
-the nose of the hammer
-Operating Rod track
-Inside the Op Rod "hump"(where the bolt roller fits.HINT a small syringe filled with grease works great for lubing this area).
-Recoil spring guide rod
-Where the Op Rod slides through the op rod guide

Source for Grease Syringes:

Okay M14 , M1A and M1 Garand lovers:

I found the curved tip glue syringes that are perfect for applying GREASE to your :

Op rod raceways
Op rod guide
Bolt lugs
Bolt raceways
Hammer hooks
Hammer nose

Go to Lee Valley Tools (google it for yerself) and here is there product number:

Curved-Tip Syringe, ea.
25K07.05 in 2009, they were retailing for $ 2.60 plus taxes. I usually have them for $ 2.00 including the grease at my clinics.

Buy a few for yourself and fill them with whatever CHEAP grease works for your purposes (cold-snowmobile , high-tech- Plastilube, cheap- Ukrainian Tire Bearing Grease)

DO NOT use any lube/oil on the gas assembly!!!!This is a dry gas system.If you use any type of lube here, powder residue will cake up and plug the gas system.You can use a little bore cleaner to clean the gas system, but them make sure to thoroughly clean afterwards.The inside of the gas cylinder nut and the gas piston need to be cleaned out periodically, or carbon will build up inside them and, causing the rifle to "bark" and cycle harder if left long enough.You can use a 5/16 drill bit TURNED IN YOUR FINGERS to clean out the carbon build up from the inside of the gas piston and gas nut.DO NOT use any drills or the like to clean out the inside of the gas cylinder assembly!!!You do not want to scratch the interior walls of the gas cylinder.I would say the gas system should be cleaned every 400 to 500 rounds.

The gas nut does not have to be "cranked" on super tight.Just snug it down enough that it won't loosen up from the recoil.Check the gas nut for tightness every so often.

When cleaning the bore, clean the rifle upside down.This is a critical step if your action has been bedded.This way keeps cleaning solvents from seeping between the stock and reciever.The bore cleaner will eat away at the bedding material.

You must clean the bore from the muzzle end on these rifles.To keep the bolt from releasing, lock back the bolt and insert a steel stripper clip into the stripper clip guide so that i covers the bolt face.This will stop you from releasing the bolt inadvertently with your cleaning rod(this trick only works if you have the original stripper clip guide.Won't work if you have a 3rd generation scope mount).For a bore guide, take a spent 12 gauge shotshell, and cut of the crimped end.Then drill out the spent primer slightly larger then your cleaning rod.This will slip perfectly over the flash suppressor and protect the muzzle crown and inside of the flash suppressor form cleaning rod damage.

That should cover everything.

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Dont forget to clean out your bolt with brake cleaner or hot water...it should rattle when you shake it

Certified Brake Cleaner Product #38-1430-2
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/Brakes/BrakeFluid/PRD~0381421P/Certified%252BBrake%252BCleaner.jsp?locale=en

Motomaster Carburetor Cleaner Product #38-0720-8
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/3/AutoFluidsChemicals/EngineTreatments/PRD~0380720P/Motomaster%252BCarburetor%252BCleaner.jsp?locale=en

Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner, 4L Product #53-2462-2
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/3/HouseHome/3/CleaningToolsVacuums/All-PurposeCleaners/PRD~0532462P/Simple%252BGreen%252BAll-Purpose%252BCleaner%25252C%252B4L.jsp?locale=en

Simple Green Cleaner & Degreaser, 946ml Product #39-0465-4
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/CarWashingCleaning/AllPurposeCarCleaners/PRD~0390465P/Simple%252BGreen%252BCleaner%252B%252526%252BDegreaser%25252C%252B946ml.jsp?locale=en

Motomaster White Grease, 450g Product #28-0806-0
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/3/AutoFluidsChemicals/LubricantsPenetrants/PRD~0280806P/Motomaster%252BWhite%252BGrease%25252C%252B450g.jsp?locale=en

Shell Advance Snow Ultra Grease Product #28-1702-0
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/3/AutoFluidsChemicals/PowersportChemicals/PRD~0281702P/Shell%252BAdvance%252BSnow%252BUltra%252BGrease.jsp?locale=en

Isopropyl Alcohol
hxxp://www.walmart.ca/Health-Wellness/Pharmacy/Home-Health-Care/RougierVap-Isopropyl-Alcohol-USP-99

Curved-Tip Syringe 25K07.05
hxxp://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20003&cat=1,110,42967

3-in. Leaf Feeler Gauge Product #58-1246-4
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/SpecialtyTools/MechanicsSpecialtyTools/PRDOVR~0581246P/3-in.%252BLeaf%252BFeeler%252BGauge.jsp?locale=en

RCBS Precision Mics (RCBS precision case micrometers)
hxxp://www.huntingtons.com/measurementtools.html

Clymer GO/NO-GO GAUGE SETS (don't get the Forster)
hxxp://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26876/Product/GO_NO_GO_GAUGE_SETS

CLP break free or G96 spray.
[I have G96, and Otis]

I shoot 1.638 chambered m305's, m14s's every couple days, test firing clients rifles.
the ammo i use is federal power shok 150 gr SP.
-- M14Doctor

hot water and citris based cleaner is great..... and another excellent product is Simply Green .... another benefit is while these cut grease like a charm..... they are all non toxic.
i use pipe cleaners(firing pin channel, spindle valve hole), tooth brush(receiver raceways , oprod track and other nooks and crannies) and a soft cloth to wash the parts down then rinse in hot hot water..... IMMEDIATELTY towel dry each part as it comes out of the rinse and get yourself a spray can of CLP break free or G96 spray. Do Not apply the spray to bolt guts, firing pin channel, gas piston, inside gas cylinder, just ensure these are dry. The metal will be hot from the rinse so these parts will be moisture free with a quick towel dry. The rest of the parts, apply the spray of G96 or CLP and wipe down well. Grease as per Maple leaf eh's instructions above and yer good to go
-- M14Doctor

My preference for cleaning is a deep bucket of scalding hot water and citrus based engine degreaser. Strip the rifle to nothing. Spray on the degreaser and scrub with a plastic dish brush. Dunk in hot water to rinse. Pull them out, shake off the excess water and let the rest air dry. Give everything a goodly coating of light machine oil - not solvent or penetrating oil. Petroleum axle grease as per SOP (hammer hooks, bolt lug races, op rod track and rear bearing surfaces of the bolt). Get all the gunk out of the bolt, especially the firing pin cavity. And always fire with the gas piston dry, no oil.
-- maple_leaf_eh

Gunk Citrus Engine Brite Product #38-1325-4
hxxp://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/3/AutoFluidsChemicals/EngineCleaneEngineDegreasers/PRD~0381325P/Gunk%252BCitrus%252BEngine%252BBrite.jsp?locale=en

For guns chambered in 7.62 NATO, here are the headspace limits (in inches):
GO: 1.6355"
NO-GO: 1.6405"
FIELD: 1.6455"

And for .308 Winchester chambers:
GO: 1.630"
NO-GO: 1.634"
FIELD: 1.638"
 
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