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I posted this In a different forum and found out that we have this lovely Canada forum.... so heres my post. Yes im a little green :D

I write stuff because im learning and trying to understand all of this info about guns/scopes/rings/bases/MOA over the net and its alot to take in. I know its kind of a excuse but I learn better when I have someone right beside me running me through in person. I only have a few gun stores avaliable there in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada, and I get the vibe that ppl don't want to help me when I go there. Either they have something else to do, or don't want my business.... or maybe Im catching them at a bad time. Anyways lol.. I just got my PAL and bought my very first rifle!!!! Its a Remington 700p in .300RUM. Now I plan just to shoot paper with this gun for a long time to get use to the whole idea of shooting a high powered rifle. In time I would like to do accuate long distance shooting(maybe 400-1000yrds) Ive only shot a .22 with no optics and a Beeman Pellet gun with some fancy Canadian Tire optics! Surprisingly its pretty accuate for shooting beer cans at the lake. Now, I have my eye on a Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster Riflescope. I don't fully understand what all the numbers in the scope defintion mean. I am planning on getting Leupold Mk4 rings and base. Kinda leaning towards the one piece base. Im not sure if the base has any MOA and if it does what does that mean? Also what rings should I be getting?? Low/Med/High? Im forsurely getting Mk4 rings and base, my local gun store sells them.. surprise surprise, Im just not sure which ones. Im sorry for all the questions all at once, and also the bad grammer and spelling.. but partying takes a toll after a few years Wink If you can think of any scopes from Leupold that would compare to the Nikon that would be awesome because my gun dealer doesn't sell Nikon, so I would have to ship.

p.s. does the scope come with intrustions on what the little dials do? And if MOA is a 1/4 turn does that mean one fully turn is 4"??
p.s.s what would you recommend on cleaning supplys for the rifle?

thanks once again.

edit, I think i'll be shooting Remington Premier Scirocco Bonded in either 180 or 150
 
Welcome to Gunnutz!

I can help you with with one of your questions. MOA stands for minute of angle. It is simply a measurement of angle just like a degree except smaller, as a matter of fact there are 60 minutes in every degree. This is just like saying there a 12 inches in a foot. The size of 1 MOA depends on the distance from the gun. A couple of yards from the muzzel 1 MOA is a fraction of an inch, at 100 yards it is aproximatly 1 inch, at 200 it is 2", at 300 3" etc...

If your scope adjustment is 1/4 MOA per click this simply means that at say 200 yards for every click the bullet will move 1/2" and at 100 yards 1/4" at 300 yards 3/4". Four clicks will move it 1 MOA and at 400 yards that is 4" or just 1" at 100 yards. Pretty simple math.

There is alot more to know about MOA but this should get you started. At least help you get your gun sighted in.

Have fun.
 
Garagebiitz, you should also look at the Elite series from Bushnell, they are a good scope... I like the rifle you picked, but wow, watch that recoil with the RUM... heh heh heh...

Cheers and WELCOME!
Jay
 
Now, I have my eye on a Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster Riflescope. I don't fully understand what all the numbers in the scope defintion mean.
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4.5 - 14 means the magnification in adjustable from 4.5times to 14times.

x40 means 40mm objective, or front lens of the scope
 
GarageBiitz said:
p.s.s what would you recommend on cleaning supplys for the rifle?
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I would recommend Sweets 762 solvent (removal of copper in the barrel), Hoppe's 9 solvent (removing of powder residue in barrel), J. Dewey rods and brass brush's (never us stainless), cotton swabs and a cleaning/sight-in kit (carry-all box with a vise type of assembly to aid in cleaning at range.

Clean rifle from head to toe take extra time on the barrel. Fire a shot - clean barrel. Repeat for about at least 20 rounds. Then make it two shots - clean for about another 20. Its up to you but the accuracy will be greater from your rifle if you break it in properly. I am going to clean my 700P after every shot for the first 100 then after every 3 forever - thats just me though.

You will need stuff you never would have thought of when you first got the rifle. Spotting scopes, grab bag, solvents, grease oils, it adds up.

Good to see another newcummer like myself. I have been shooting now for about a month and a half total. Lovin it.

D_
 
D, at your current pace of cleaning it might take almost a year to get thru your first 100 shots?? And your bbl might be worn out.
Seriously, clean once after ea. of first 5 shots and then once after each 10 shots for the first 100 rds.
You could wear your barrel out from over cleaning otherwise.
 
GB, welcome. Not to seem like a #### but I bet your experience shooting that RUM will be short. That thing is going to kill you before you get enough trigger time to 'enjoy' the high power experience. Recoil is stout and cost per bang (even if you reload) will put you in the poor house right now (no more beer money!!!).

If you haven't tried it, do so and I think you will quickly understand what I am talking about. If you haven't bought the rifle, don't. Not at least till you know what you want.

If you want trigger time for punching paper and learning how to shoot, maybe reload, put that RUM aside and pick up a Stevens in 223. This will be the cost of a few range sessions shooting factory RUM ammo.

With this rifle, you can do lots of very accurate shooting and even LR stuff (this is a 1000yd capable set up- far enough). Best part is you can afford to play. Enough of a sermon.

Oh by the way, shooting full load RUM will probably burn out that barrel in 1000rds or so. At about $3 per shot for factory ammo, things are going to get expensive real quick.

For bases, the standard Weaver two piece base is ideal. Rings are Burris Sig rings w/inserts. There is no better setup and makes moving scopes and adjusting them way easier. A med high ring is all you will need for now.

There is an enormous data base on this and other sections of this board. By the time you read most of this stuff, you will learn lots. Then its out for some shooting where most of the real learning will occur.

don't get me wrong, I have built many custom rifles in big monster cartridges. They have their place. But the RUM is like taking a 'N' driver and dropping them in a top fuel dragster and say "push the right pedal all the way to the bottom, and figure it out as you go. Might pull a bit to the left...."

Jerry
 
windborne11 said:
D, at your current pace of cleaning it might take almost a year to get thru your first 100 shots?? And your bbl might be worn out.
Seriously, clean once after ea. of first 5 shots and then once after each 10 shots for the first 100 rds.
You could wear your barrel out from over cleaning otherwise.
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Are you saying I am damaging my barrel with the cleaning process?

I just want to do thing correctly. Any input on this from the long range shooters?

Remember I am a rifle rook.
D_
 
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