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Hey, I just came into a couple guns and I am having problems identifying this rifle, or even the calibre. I have a few pictures, any help would be appreciated.

Based on the previous owner, I suspect it belonged to his father so I’m guessing a time frame of 1930-1950s.


Those are clips, not magazines, they are quite wide, just wide enough to fit the .357 shell. The mag well is quite long at least 3”.

The ruler is 24”. The barrel is too narrow for a .357 bullet.


Here is a closer view of the action. I put a .357 shell and a .22 round for comparison purposes.







The bolt holds the .357





There are some markings on the under slide of the barrel. A 588, and 9H56 and a couple other various numbers near the trigger guard an 8 and on the other side a W or M.

The Iron sites are Marble Gladstone and the butt pad is pachmayr.

It’s in pretty good condition, those discolorations are from tape. I think it’s a pretty cool little gun.
 
Dorian Gray - you may be right. But they are normally 6.5mm, so the bore would be much smaller than .357
 
Normally Carcano clips have a window through the sides of them.

Did I miss you measuring the bore? 8mm would be significantly larger than 6.5mm. Given that the 357 fits the bolt face I would say that you have likely got the 6.5x52mm has a .045" larger rim diameter. More likely the 6.5 than the 7mm version. You could go and face shoot jumbos like Bell did in the old days with a classic like that.
 
My thought is sporterized Carcano. Chambering is a guess at 6.5 x 52. Have it inspected by a gunsmith and get him/her to do a chamer cast.
1895 Mannlicher was a straight pull, wasn't it?
 
You have a restocked Cooey Carcano. These were reworked from Italian service rifles into sporters by Cooey for the T Eaton Co. in the early '30s. Yours has had an immense amount of stock customization done to it.
It is most likely chambered for 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenauer, not 6.5x52 Mannlicher Carcano.
 
IIRC, Frank De Haas, author of Bolt Action Rifles, talks of these Carcanos converted to 35 Remington?

The sporterized look & the post war years of importation go right hand in hand with this theory.

Edit: Maybe it's chambered in 30 or 32 Remington??
 
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gunrunner100 said:
My thought is sporterized Carcano. Chambering is a guess at 6.5 x 52. Have it inspected by a gunsmith and get him/her to do a chamer cast.
1895 Mannlicher was a straight pull, wasn't it?
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Correct you are. I should have kept my "mouth" shut. I can't even blame it on the drink! :)

tiriaq said:
You have a restocked Cooey Carcano. These were reworked from Italian service rifles into sporters by Cooey for the T Eaton Co. in the early '30s. Yours has had an immense amount of stock customization done to it.
It is most likely chambered for 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenauer, not 6.5x52 Mannlicher Carcano.
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Are they not usually the rimmed version of the 6.5x54? (6.5x53R I think)
 
Carcano

It sure looks like a Carcano rifle. As already mentioned most were the 6.5x52 Carcano calibre. However there were some made in the 7.35 calibre as well. Could you measure the bore a little closer than "smaller that a 357"? 6.5 mm will be approx .264" and the 7.35 will be approx .300"
 
As mentioned its an Eatons rework. Check the milsurp section I cant remember who did it (Andy IIRC), but there is a post and testing in there on these guns and the debate about thier safety.
 
I would agree with Tiriaq - its a sporterized Carcano - I have a few of these - one way to check is when they rebarrelled there is a lip right below the rear sight which appears to be there in your pics (just as the taper starts) All mine are stamped 6.5 right under your rear sight on the barrel shoulder (one of the hex sides) if you could get the sight removed. Theres a fellow named Smellie on these forums who is probably one of the best versed people on the subject I have met. If its the Eatons version, it will be 6.5 x 54 MS and brass is kicking around in various places if you reload. As far as dangerous to fire - that has been debunked many times over - do some googling. Good luck!
 
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