Need help with evil nazi Star B

Horilka

Horilka

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Hello Gentlemen,
I would appreciate your help and advice on the matter of feeding problem with my handgun.
So I have this pistol which falls into correct serial range for one of the Nazi contracts. This is probably the reason I want to fix it, rather then to get rid of it. I like it and want to keep it as all pre 1946 stuff, but it does not feed most of the time I would say. Original WW2 magazine feeds only if 1 round in mag, and does not feed if 2 or more. Post war mag does not feed no matter how many rounds present. Post war mag I purchased from fellow CGNer and it was working in his Star B.
I took pistol apart (found that spring guide is missing, but it should not affect feeding) and made pictures below. I tried with dummy round and snap-caps and live rounds (at range) - issue with feeding is the same.

Here's the pistol.


Two mags (sorry for some blurred pictures). One is WW2 Gardia Civil and second is post war marked with STAR


Bottom one is post war


Left is post war


Feeding ramp from different angles








Now this is how ww2 mag looks with only one round, note the angle. With only one round and this angle this mag will feed the round. Lips on this mag are open more wide than on post war mag.


This is the same ww2 mag with 2 rounds, note the angle or round now is different


This is 1 round in post war mag, and angle will be the same no matter how many rounds inside.


Trying to feed from the ww2 mag with 1 round. Works fine.


Trying to feed from the ww2 mag with 2 rounds. Bullet stuck at feeding ramp which looks too steep in my opinion (but I have no other Star B to compare).


Same picture from different angles






Trying to feed from post war mag with no matter how many rounds, stuck at feeding ramp.


Same from another angle


Same with slide installed


So I would be glad to hear any help/suggestions.
I also would appreciate if somebody in GTA could borrow me his STAR B barrel and mag or allow me to visit him with my barrel and mags to check and compare.
 
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OH boy...theres a couple problems I see right now. You will have to use the mag that lets the bullet seat the HIGHEST. The other mag just isn't going to work Period. These guns are NOT 9mm parabellum. They are 9mm LARGO. They are a Longer bullet. If you had the longer Largo ammo in the mag, youd see that they sit higher and don't Nose Dive. Lead rounds are not a good choice of ammo for the Star B war time pistol. They were meant to shoot BALL ammo.
The Star model B Super,...is designed to run on regular 9mm store bought ammo. I have a buddy with the early B model......he reloads regular 9mm ammo, but uses FMJ and makes the OAL of the bullet longer. It solved his issues. That's the best advice I can give.
 
lone ranger said:
OH boy...theres a couple problems I see right now. You will have to use the mag that lets the bullet seat the HIGHEST. The other mag just isn't going to work Period. These guns are NOT 9mm parabellum. They are 9mm LARGO. They are a Longer bullet. If you had the longer Largo ammo in the mag, youd see that they sit higher and don't Nose Dive. Lead rounds are not a good choice of ammo for the Star B war time pistol. They were meant to shoot BALL ammo.
The Star model B Super,...is designed to run on regular 9mm store bought ammo. I have a buddy with the early B model......he reloads regular 9mm ammo, but uses FMJ and makes the OAL of the bullet longer. It solved his issues. That's the best advice I can give.
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Incorrect.

These Russian Capture Star Model B. Pistols ARE in 9mm Luger/Parabellum/NATO! They were made under contract for Axis forces in WW2 (Romania, Germany, etc.) *Correction* Most were under Bulgarian contract.

As I am sure Horilka knows, Jacketed Ball ammo (124gr) feeds the best in these tasty little guns. I think he is just using those lead projectile ones for dummy rounds (for Science?) :d
 
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Desert_Fox said:
Incorrect.

These Russian Capture Star Model B. Pistols ARE in 9mm Luger/Parabellum/NATO! They were made under contract for Axis forces in WW2 (Romania, Germany, etc.)

As I am sure Horilka knows, Jacketed Ball ammo (124gr) feeds the best in these tasty little guns. I think he is just using those lead projectile ones for dummy rounds (for Science?) :d
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Umm, I'm not completely convinced looking at the OP's gun.That feed ramp looks like its meant for Largo ammo. Mabey some kind of early attempt at making in 9mm luger ??
Not questioning you FOX, and your probably right on this matter, but something just doesn't look right.
I looked into the Star Pistols and the history, and after my research I went with the Newer model B Super. All the bugs were worked out and the reviews were excellent,..not so much for the other early models. Lots of Fail to feed, fail to eject, and some very finicky on ammo. Just wasn't for me. I am very happy with my Super and I think I'm gonna pick up another.
 
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lone ranger said:
Umm, I'm not completely convinced looking at the OP's gun.That feed ramp looks like its meant for Largo ammo. Mabey some kind of early attempt at making in 9mm luger ??
Not questioning you FOX, and your probably right on this matter, but something just doesn't look right.
I looked into the Star Pistols and the history, and after my research I went with the Newer model B Super. All the bugs were worked out and the reviews were excellent,..not so much for the other early models. Lots of Fail to feed, fail to eject, and some very finicky on ammo. Just wasn't for me. I am very happy with my Super and I think I'm gonna pick up another.
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I know the Model A was in 9mm Largo... and Horilkas does have the lanyard loop (which I believe is an early Model B feature)... could be something to what you're saying... I'm no expert on the Model B that is for sure.

I will take a look when I get home today and see what my feed ramps look like.
 
Well, all Star Bs are in 9mm Luger as far as I can tell. Reference (a little bit outdated) - http://star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/b/index.shtml
I do also have 9mm Largo rounds and though I was very convinced in my previous research on this pistol identification I decided to check - 9mm Largo rounds stick out of the barrel chamber way too much. So no miracle - handgun in 9mm Luger.

War time Star Bs in Canada are either from Bulgarian contract (most of them RC, heavily refurbished) with some of them with fake Nazi waffenampts or some rare pieces like this one. This one falls into:
The following serial numbers are the actual Nazi German delivery contracts:
First Variation: 4000 pistols, not Waffenampt, delivered to occupied France on May 15 and 28, 1942. Serials 210951-214950
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It has "B" and number 213### on the butt - http://star-firearms.com/firearms/numbering.shtml. So it's true Second Model B Nazi contract.

And I tried 9mm Luger snap caps and jacketed ammo with same results.

I see Phat Eagle has no doubts about this pistol origin and identification :)
 
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An old solution was to polish the feed ramp for the 1911 and it may help in your case.

Adjusting the magazine lips to alter the angle of the cartridge was another solution for single column magazines.

Try finding old solutions to 1911 feeding problems as your Star Model B is a 1911 type clone.
 
Thank you everyone, I'm currently trying all different things.
Would greatly help if I can find somebody with working Star B in GTA. Anyone? I am a grateful guy :)
 
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