Need help with weaver bases for Voere Titan II **Answered**

[Gun Lover]

My Voere Titan II came with weaver bases installed, but unfortunately they have been badly bubbad and regular Weaver rings just can't be tighten to them, so I need to replace them. The problem is, these ones came from Europe and don't have the Weaver brand numbering system, so I can't tell which model they are.

I have tried for days now to find any info on the Internet but, although there's tons of reference for Weaver bases for Voere rifles based on the Mauser 98 action, I haven't found a single reference to the Titan II model.

So, does anybody know what Weaver number bases I need to buy for this rifle?

Thanks.

 

[1899]

Redfield used to make bases for the Titan II, but I don't know if they are still available. I have Buehler bases/rings on mine. You can also get EAW bases and rings from NECG.

 

[Gun Lover]

Wow, I guess not many people own rifles like this! Thanks for your answer 1899, I appreciate it.

Now, after a whole bunch of KM driven looking for these bases, I am now able to answer my own question. Hopefully this will help others that might be in the same predicament. The Weaver bases for the Voere Titan II rifles are: Rear base, Model #25 and Front base, Model #35.

I needed something before this weekend and, being on a tight budget, also wanted to stay on the cheap. If this rifle does it for me, I'll be looking at better bases than these Weaver, steel bases, but still weaver style. I will put on quick detach rings, like Burris. This rifle has open sights and I want to be able to take the scope off and then put it back on as I need. Besides, I have come to really like quick detach rings and bases, even on rifles without open sights.

 

[1899]

Voere Titans are known for their accuracy. The came with a 1/2" group guarantee. I have, unfortunately, lost my factory test target. These rifles were quite expensive - in ~1985 or so they were $2000. That translates to ~$3700 in today's money.

 

[Gun Lover]

I think we need to be careful when we refer to these rifles and their value. What you say is true, but only of the Kleinguenther Rifles, the K-14 and K15, which have been well taken care of. They were in essence Custom rifles built on barreled actions bought from Voere and customized in Texas. I've seen pictures of those in the Internet and they are indeed impressive.

Mine, however, is a peasant rifle. It is a very nicely built rifle, which I'm sure will be accurate enough for my needs (I'll find out later today). It has the smoothest action of all my bolt action rifles I own, and a very nice and precise adjustable trigger. I paid less than 1/4 of the price you quote, and it was as much as I would have been willing to pay, not a cent more. In fact, in the condition it came, I think I already paid too much.

If it suits my needs, I'll put more time and money to try to bring it closer to what it was when it left the factory. But it'll never be exactly what it once was again.

 

[1899]

I think we need to be careful when we refer to these rifles and their value. What you say is true, but only of the Kleinguenther Rifles, the K-14 and K15, which have been well taken care of. They were in essence Custom rifles built on barreled actions bought from Voere and customized in Texas. I've seen pictures of those in the Internet and they are indeed impressive.

Mine, however, is a peasant rifle. It is a very nicely built rifle, which I'm sure will be accurate enough for my needs (I'll find out later today). It has the smoothest action of all my bolt action rifles I own, and a very nice and precise adjustable trigger. I paid less than 1/4 of the price you quote, and it was as much as I would have been willing to pay, not a cent more. In fact, in the condition it came, I think I already paid too much.

If it suits my needs, I'll put more time and money to try to bring it closer to what it was when it left the factory. But it'll never be exactly what it once was again.

I know what the Voere Titan II cost because I have one and my friend has two - all purchased new from Fine Italian Sporting Goods in Vancouver. Trust me, these rifles didn't need any "customizing".

With all the cheap rifles available today it is easy to forget how much a high quality European rifle used to cost. My father purchased a Steyr-Mannlicher Luxus in the late '80s and it was ~$2500.

ETA - The Titan IIs that do come up for sale - especially the ones from Tradex - are great deals.

 

[Gun Lover]

Yep, I have no doubts you know how much they cost, but believe me, this one came to me pretty beat up. I wouldn't have paid for it 1 cent more than I did. But of course, as you say, mechanically and design wise they really are a very fine piece of equipment.

By the way, I fired it today and was favorably impressed. Recoil was very light, mine is in 6.5x55mm. I shot reloads that were not at all developed for this rifle, very mild ones since it has a much tighter chamber than my M96 I worked up the loads for, and I wanted to be on the safe side. But even with such loads, it gave me MOA groups easily. I think it'll get much better once I bed it and develop proper loads for it.

Oh, I think I also found out why the bases that came on it had been bubbaed. With the scope centered, the crosshairs were pointing about 10" to the left at 100m. So the previous owner was probably only trying to center the crosshairs without using the scope internal adjustments. They were also about 8" to 10" high at the same distance, but that will be an easy fix with a little shimming.

Now I need to locate a manual for it. I wanted to clean the bolt inside, but didn't know how to disassemble it. Fortunately, it is so easy that I found out how to, by mistake, while cleaning it. Impressive. I also adjusted the trigger by trial and error, because I didn't know which screw adjusted what an in which direction. But in the end it all worked out.

Thanks for your help 1899. Maybe once I work on the stock I might decide to get it blued again, to bring it back to the nice looking piece it surely was when new.

 

[1899]

I am sure that you will be impressed with the accuracy these fine rifles can produce. I assume you got it from Tradex - is the stock quite plain? The ones that came here from the factory all had nice wood. I have only seen a handfull of them - 1 in .257 Wby, 2 in 7mm Rem Mag, 1 in .300 Win Mag, 2 in .300 Wby Mag and 2 in .375 H&H. Some had oil finished stocks and some had glossy stocks. All had very good quality deep bluing. You can sometimes find them for sale on a variety of American gun auction sites.

If you are looking for parts remember to look into the Mauser 99, as it is also the same rifle.

PM me a picture when it is done, or even now!

 

[Gun Lover]

To answer your questions: yes and yes.

Mine is the plain glossy stock model, but quite used and bubbaed. The wood is heavily oil soaked in some places, lots, and I mean lots of medium deep scratches. A little nick (bit of wood missing) on the forearm, on the left side of the barrel channel. The buttstock has been shortened a little (L.O.P. = 13") and it has been "Drilled Out" with a hand drill, so most of it is empty inside. The genius who attacked it with the drill also drilled out parts of the barrel channel, just in front of the action, with the purpose of floating the barrel I guess. The fact that he did it that way, leaving horrendous holes in there, instead of just using good old sandpaper is really evidence of his genius mind!

On the metal side, the blueing is fading everywhere. Not so bad on the action itself, but practically gone on the barrel, towards the muzzle. And, as previously mentioned, the weaver bases had been rendered useless by some genius grinding.

So far, with very limited testing, I have had problems feeding from the left side of the magazine. I know it's not dirt, because I managed to disassemble it and clean a truckload of junk that was in it. But we'll see how it works, once I can develop loads for it.

I think it will react well to a bedding job, because as it is right now, the tip of the forearm is way too close to the barrel. It barely touches it, but puts no real pressure on it. More relief will certainly help. However, this barrel is so light, that I might have to bed 1.5" or 2" close to the receiver. The precise place our genius drilled out.

Anyways, I have no doubts this rifle will work out great. But, like I said, it'll never be again, what is once was. To attempt to do so, will only make it way more expensive than just buying another one in pristine condition.

I'll see what I can do for the pictures. I have had it only for a week and barely managed to clean it, get new scope bases and scope mounted on and load 20 testing rounds. But I'll send you pics, when I'll have them. I am not planing on working on it right away. For now, I'll only install a recoil pad, to increase LOP a little, and develop loads for it. Hunting season is almost here, and I want to work on another Voere I also got, a .30-06 SPLD on a M98 action. That one came in much better condition, and is shooting a little better from the get go.