Hey all I'm starting into the frustrating world of TR. I have a friends savage 112 and shooting for now factory 55gr bullets. I shoot not much like a complete amateur at 50meters and even at 100 meters. Things open up at 200 yards and by 300 yards I well I down right suck. I have gotten the odd group that was 4.5" at 300 when there was absolutely no wind. Today I tried flags they didn't help. I set a fire on each side of my target to help read the wind that helped me see the gusts as the bullet was on its way. Its not the gun. I got pissed and put a scope on it and shot a fist sized group. I've tried changing the peep hole size. 1 eye 2 eye open. Played with amount of breath in my chest. I'm watching the mirage in my spotting scope and I can see the changes but when I strap on the rifle I'm clueless. Any tips out there? Seems today I'm only making a pile of empty brass
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Mystic Precision
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Practise, practise, practise, practise.... Repeat another 5000 times.
consider the quality of bullet and ammo you are making.
The rules allow up to a 92gr bullet and the heavier the better.
Part of what is happening is the light bullet being bounced around in the wind. It gets worst with distance.
So if the twist will allow, go as heavy as possible. Load tune with a scope and bench to ensure accuracy and low vertical.
Once you trust the load, start launching lead and learning to read the wind and drive that rifle.
TR is NOT an easy sport.
good luck.
Jerry
consider the quality of bullet and ammo you are making.
The rules allow up to a 92gr bullet and the heavier the better.
Part of what is happening is the light bullet being bounced around in the wind. It gets worst with distance.
So if the twist will allow, go as heavy as possible. Load tune with a scope and bench to ensure accuracy and low vertical.
Once you trust the load, start launching lead and learning to read the wind and drive that rifle.
TR is NOT an easy sport.
good luck.
Jerry
paperslayer
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- Chilliwack
TR is a challenging sport but it is a real shooting sport where you the driver makes the most difference.
Most TR shooters use 80+ grain bullets. As long as your twist will support them, I suggest switch to a more wind-tolerant bullet. Some are even using 90 grain bullets, but you need a fast twist 7 or even a 6.5" twist.
Develop your load at short distance a good scope and with a rest, so you know it can print a good group and then switch to the irons. you are one of the variables you want to control, so control the others first. The Ontario Rifle Association has some really good TR shooters that would love to give you a hand. check them out.
Most TR shooters use 80+ grain bullets. As long as your twist will support them, I suggest switch to a more wind-tolerant bullet. Some are even using 90 grain bullets, but you need a fast twist 7 or even a 6.5" twist.
Develop your load at short distance a good scope and with a rest, so you know it can print a good group and then switch to the irons. you are one of the variables you want to control, so control the others first. The Ontario Rifle Association has some really good TR shooters that would love to give you a hand. check them out.
ultimate_monkey
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NO, load devolope at the range you plan to shoot at.. or as far out as possible! develpoping at 100 or even 200yds doesnt do much but show human error a good shooting load at 100 might turn to #### by 2or300. This close range load development seems to be the biggest mistakes people seem to make. Granted a load that shoots like ass at 100 wont get any better but a good 100yd load doesnt mean its good for any thing past that
Mystic Precision
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No you're not, you are practicing. You have to realize the limitations of factory ammo, that alone can account for 1/3 or more of your group size.
It might be frustrating at first but if you're enjoying the challenge then keep practicing. And save all that brass for when you're ready to start the new hobby of reloading.
Good luck
I plan to make it to maynards shoots this year but for right now I'm just shooting on my farm
Do you guys use one eye or 2 eyes? I seem to be able to see the target better with both eyes open but shoot better with only 1 eye open. Maybe its my eyes but I find sometimes the target seems so blurry it tends to blend with my front sight hole.
So far I'm enjoying this sport. I just really miss my scope!
Do you guys use one eye or 2 eyes? I seem to be able to see the target better with both eyes open but shoot better with only 1 eye open. Maybe its my eyes but I find sometimes the target seems so blurry it tends to blend with my front sight hole.
So far I'm enjoying this sport. I just really miss my scope!
TR is something that I want to try and Im trying to set up a rifle right now ,I need to get a good set of sights a jacket , hand stop hat just about everything except the rifle lol.
I've been shooting f-open for a while and have always admired the TR shooters that will often score as well or very close to scoped shooters.
Op like others mentioned shoot the heaviest bullet your rifle can handle and the highest bc , and lots of practice .
You might want to pick up a few good books on wind reading and mirage .
I've been shooting f-open for a while and have always admired the TR shooters that will often score as well or very close to scoped shooters.
Op like others mentioned shoot the heaviest bullet your rifle can handle and the highest bc , and lots of practice .
You might want to pick up a few good books on wind reading and mirage .
ultimate_monkey
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- victoria BC
just like shooting with a scope, its goin to be personal preferance. Myself personally, in almost any style or form of shooting , aquire my target with both eyes open and get close to where i want to be, then for the disiplines the require accuracy as the first priority i will close my weak eye and take my shot. for any of the "tactical" style shooting weather its rifle or handgun and the only requirement is to hit the target in the time limit, its both eyes open
I have also switched from F class to TR this year, shot and coached 22 target all winter and have switched all the gear but even with the sling that is a bloody heavy rifle. Last years provincials was won by a great shooter almost 20 years my senior so I guess working on the 20 year plan. I'll get this figured out yet.
Well Grasshopper, you have found there is a learning curve to this TR stuff
I can't teach you everything I know about TR shooting all in one day. The apprenticeship is about 20 years long, and you will learn more every time you go out to shoot. I am still learning.
Right now the ammo is your main limiting factor. Time to break out those .223 dies and load up some of those 80 gr Sierra's. Don't forget to use 2 scoops of powder in every case
26 gr of Varget will do ya.Use a big enough front insert that the aiming mark takes up 1/2 the diameter of the hole, bigger is better. Turn the rear iris down until the target is fuzzy then open it up until everything is clear.
Your spotting scope needs to be tucked in close enough to you that you just need to turn your head a bit to see through it.
We can work on a blinder attached to the rear sight so you can shoot with both eyes open.
Stop in any time this week or we can talk more on Sunday while shooting skeet.
paperslayer
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- Chilliwack
too bad there arent real names on here so i knew who you were, but i shot iron sights for 30 years or more now. used to shoot with old george farqhuarson, clint dahlstrom, and bob pitciarn amongst many many others.
if your group is crap at 100 it is going to be 10 times worse at 100. no group gets tighter the further it goes unless there are some laws of the physical universe i seem to have missed.
shooting short range first to find a load meas you eliminate the atmosphere as a factor in finding a good load. using a scope and a rest eliminates a shooter that hasn't yet mastered his irons or his load.
if you are as good as robert whitney or david tubb you can get away with it but until you are, save your ammo.
if your group is crap at 100 it is going to be 10 times worse at 100. no group gets tighter the further it goes unless there are some laws of the physical universe i seem to have missed.
shooting short range first to find a load meas you eliminate the atmosphere as a factor in finding a good load. using a scope and a rest eliminates a shooter that hasn't yet mastered his irons or his load.
if you are as good as robert whitney or david tubb you can get away with it but until you are, save your ammo.
