Need info on Kynock 45/70 brass

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I have come into some old Kynock 45/70 brass six pieces, just enough to fill the carrier on my C. Sharps 1875 rep. So I am all set to reload them thinking old brass, black powder in the sharps what could be better. pulled the handle down on the press to size the brass and proceeded to break the primer punch off. Figuring there was a problem with the old brass i find there is no centre hole for the punch to push the primer out.
My questions are how does the primer ignite the powder in this brass, and can it be reloaded? How old is the Kynock brass? the only markings on the brass are Kynock 45 70
 
The brass is berdan primed which means that the anvil is integral with the primer pocket rather than that little 3 pointed piece inside a boxer primer. The integral anvil means the shells have to have 2 holes to get the flame to the powder. They are removed with a special tool that sort of punches into them from the outside and pries them out. There are also quite a few different sizes of berdan primers rather than the two basic sizes found in modern boxer primers.

cheers mooncoon
 
Save the brass for collecting and buy some new boxer primed brass from Win. or Rem. I use R-P brass for all my BP loads and any other for smokeless loads.
 
Thanks for all the information on the brass. I was hoping to use it in the Sharps as the older the better for me. I received it in a box with ,
4 -WRA 1943 dated 303 brass
1- loaded 455 colt by D.C.Co.
1- loaded round that is 1.217 in length brass is .47 wide by .755 long bullet where it meets the brass is .435 and is marked on the base K II O and has a primer
1- loaded R H A Co 32 S&W
4- loaded rimfire brass measures .560 in width .840 long lead measures .547 where it meets the brass and is marked U on the base
1- loaded rimfire round brass is .560 wide .860 long bullet is .552 where it meets the brass and is marked H on the base
1- loaded rimfire brass is .560 wide at the base and tapers to.530 brass is 1.02 long bullet is .520 where it meets the brass and is marked H on the base
1 loaded imperial 25-35
2-loaded Dominion 22 savage
1- loaded Dominion 32-40
1 loaded Rem-UMC 32 WCF
12- loaded Dominion 32 S&W
1 loaded WRA 9mm
2 loaded 32 acp D.C.Co
1 loaded Dominion 30-06 SPRG
1- Dominion 38-40 brass
1- 32 SWL D.C.Co brass
Some Misc rimfire brass
1 tin marked Webley 177 Special Pellets No 1 Bore made in England for Air pistols and Rifles

Any iformation regarding any of the above rounds would be greatly appreciated.
Regards tim
1- 32 SW D.C.Co brass
 
In order:

1943 WRA: Lend Lease .303 ammo for WW2

Canadian-made Dominion .455 revolver ammo

Kynoch (British) .455 Mark II Cordite revolver round

RHA= Robin Hood Ammunition .32 revolver ctge

old big Rimfire sounds like Spencer stuff, likely .56-.56 U is Union Metallic Ctge Co, H is
Winchester repeating Arms

Imperial .25-35 this is for the Winchester 1894, Canadian-made, likely 1960s pre-1968

Dominion 22 Savage: for Savage 99; this was the .220 Swift of 1912 .228 bullet

Dominion .32-40: Ballard cartridge from 1873, chambered in 94 Winchester until 1935;
super-accurate in its day; Harry Pope's fave

Rem-UMC .32 WCF: likely .32-40, made after Remington went broke and were bought
out by UMC in the 1930s

Dominion .32S&W: could be S&W short or S&W Long; they made both. post-'45-pre-'69

WRA 9mm: lilely 9mm Luger, Winchester made

D.C.Co. .32ACP: .32 Automatic Colt Pistol, made by Dominion Cartridge Company pre-1950 fits Colt 1903 pistol

Dominion .30-06 SPRG: Canadian-made Dominion sporting ammo in standard .30-06 Springfield (same as all other .30-06)

Dominion .38-40: also known as .38WCF, chambered in Winchester 1892 and Colt 1873, actually a .40-calibre. Likely made between 1950 and 1965.

.32SWL: .32 Smith & Wesson Long. DCCo tells you between about 1910 and 1950.

You have the basis there for a pretty good cartridge collection. Get a copy of Frank C, Barnes' CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD, about $22 at Cabela's. They are ALL in there.

Have fun!
 
There is also the standard caveat that brass that old of unknown origin is not recommended for re-use. The possible use of corrosive (mercury fulminate) priming compound is thought to degrade the brass over time making it brittle, etc...

I would love to get my hands on some never fired, properly stored, balloon head brass in .45-2 4/10 or .45-2 1/10 and compare how they perform vs. the new style solid head brass.
 
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