Need Info on This Rifle (Suspect it's a Model 1917 .30-06)

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I picked this up over Christmas. I believe it started life as a military rifle Model 1917. Not too sure if its got the original barrel on it or who made the rifle. It is clear at one time somebody put a lot of money into it, as the wood is spectacular despite the damage it now carries. The sling swivels are Parker Hale, and it appears that at one point it would have carried some kind of iron peep sight after its conversion. The bore is in excellent shape. The scope is a Weaver Marksman 3x9 power. I have not fired it yet, but will do so when the weather gets warmer. Any information any of the members of this board can provide on this firearm would be greatly appreciated. Any ideas as to value would also be appreciated.



















 
Yes, an M17, to be sure. You may want to take a look through the bore and see which way the rifling turns.

Original barrels all had Left hand twist, rebarrels, often have RH twist.

Too bad the toe on that lumber is damaged so badly....looks like a decent piece of wood, as you said.

These are decent rifles, if a bit heavy. Has the rarely seen side mount. Probably a decent shooter.

Oddly enough, I notice one small part on it that is from a P14 [the 303 British equivalent]

Regards, Dave.
 
Dave, thanks for the info. Just checked and it is a left hand twist. Clearly an original barrel. Which part is from the P14..
 
Dave, thanks for the info. Just checked and it is a left hand twist. Clearly an original barrel. Which part is from the P14..

The little tab that the flat ejector spring sits in on the Left rear of the receiver. The P14's have two grooves, crossing each other at right angles, the M17 only one groove.

Regards, Dave
 
The front site makes me think pre war Parker Hale. Might want to check out some of thier old catalogs.
 
With the butt stock the way it is, I'd say that's probably a $250 rifle, much more if the big chunk wasn't missing out of it, if its an early parker hale or something maybe $50-100 more then that if someone is a collector, is it 30-06 or .303 brit?

Might be worth getting a chamber casting if it's not marked, or see if you can chamber a 30-06 round and let us know.
 
The chunk out of the butt isn't that bad. It can be fixed so that it is un noticeable. That isn't a commercial receiver. There could be some confusion because the Brits received a bunch of lend lease P17s and some of them had acceptance stamps on the receiver put there by the UK.

Whoever did the work on that rifle went a long way. It looks like several owners had or did work to it previously. Looks like a replacement trigger as well. It has been drilled and tapped for a rear peep sight as well as a top mount and now a side mount. If it is a Parker Hale sporter as mentioned above it would definitely be worth keeping. I also agree with the above post that it is a PH rework. I also thing the side mount D&T were for the original scope mounts which were in style at the time.

Get the stock fixed or do it yourself. Go to a gunsmith and either get him to do it or ask if he has an old piece of broken stock with lots of figure, stake and glue it on. Do not drill the stake hole all the way through, glue it with a good glue or even acraglas with lots of sandpaper dust of appropriate color, stain if needed and it's done.

Something you may want to try is shooting the 125 grain Remington Spire Points through it. I have an old P17 sporter that isn't as pretty as that one but is similar. It loves those bullets when they are pushed fast.
 
That's a really nice old rifle you have there. Definetely have a gunsmith check the chamber to determine caliber. It could be something other than .303 or .30-06. Checking the muzzle with a .30 cal bullet and a .303 will give you some idea, but still worth getting checked. I had a P17 .30-06 re-chambered to .300 H+H several years ago. so trying a bullet in the muzzle might. Have you taken it out of the stock yet?
 
It is in 30-06. I have not had it out of the stock yet. I tried but it would not move. I didn't want to get too aggressive with it until I had shot it a bit. The trigger is real nice and light. Thanks for all the info. I hope to shoot it next weekend if things thaw out in AB. I will post results as soon as I do.
 
I've seen BSA conversions that looked similar. I also believe that Parker Hale did these.

You're right. It's based on a P14/17. If your gunsmith gives you the all-clear, then you've probably got a $250 rifle that will feed, function and shoot as well or better than most $1,000 rifles made today. It also looks better, too, in my opinion.

These rifles respond very well to basic bedding, so if it were me, I would bed the action. You should definitely take the action out of the stock to check for cracks or oil-softening, anyway -- as well as hidden rust. You should do that before shooting it. Just put the stock in a vise, take the guard screws out and gently tap the top and bottom of the barrel with a mallet. That should loosen it enough to take it out by levering the barrel up and down to work the action out of the stock. If it is really stuck, then there could be a problem that should be diagnosed before you shoot it (like the possibility that some nimrod might have tried bedding it in the past and accidentally glued the whole thing together permanently).

You should also fix that broken piece of the stock because the rifle you have is about as good looking as a '17 gets... and I'm a fan of them.

With good bedding that leaves the action sitting solidly and stress-free in the stock, and a decent handload, I'd expect the sky to be the limit with that rifle. Surprisingly, those original 1917 barrels were darned good, even nearly 100 years later. The first one I ever used was on its last legs when I got it in 1997 and my gunsmith rechambered it to .300 Winchester Magnum. I was able to easily shoot under 1 m.o.a. with it and full power loads. I used it until it went to the great barrel factory in the sky around the year 2000 and then replaced it with an E.R. Shaw barrel, which I am still using to this day (and it shoots just as well).

Please keep us informed of your progress with this rifle.
 
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