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Hi everyone,

Long story short, I’m helping a buddy out who’s going through some nasty divorce/legal/police nonsense and have taken his collection off his hands until it’s all resolved. Some of the guns I will sell to help with his legal bills, some I will keep as security and some I might even buy myself. In all cases, I need to know what things are worth.

I’m familiar with the going rates of most of the guns in the collection, but there are a few that aren’t really my thing and I don’t know where to start. The questionable items are the following:

M1 Carbine Plainfield
WK180 Parts Rifle
Kar98K - Romanian Capture
Kar98K - East German Issue
M38 Swedish Mauser 1941
Enfield Indian Musket 410

Any advice would be appreciated. I know condition and accessories all can play major factors, but for now I’m just looking for ballpark figures. Or if there’s some kind of “if it has this then it is worth more/less” or whatever. Again, I’m not familiar with these guns.

I’m also in the Yukon, so it’s not like there’s a gun show here every other weekend, which means EE pricing is more the standard I’m looking at.

Thanks for looking!
 
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You are going to have to post some more info about condition and post pictures in order to get any meaningful answers
 
jacotsmith said:
Hi everyone,

Long story short, I’m helping a buddy out who’s going through some nasty divorce/legal/police nonsense and have taken his collection off his hands until it’s all resolved. Some of the guns I will sell to help with his legal bills, some I will keep as security and some I might even buy myself. In all cases, I need to know what things are worth.

I’m familiar with the going rates of most of the guns in the collection, but there are a few that aren’t really my thing and I don’t know where to start. The questionable items are the following:

M1 Carbine Plainfield
WK180 Parts Rifle
Kar98K - Romanian Capture
Kar98K - East German Issue
M38 Swedish Mauser 1941
Enfield Indian Musket 410

Any advice would be appreciated. I know condition and accessories all can play major factors, but for now I’m just looking for ballpark figures. Or if there’s some kind of “if it has this then it is worth more/less” or whatever. Again, I’m not familiar with these guns.

I’m also in the Yukon, so it’s not like there’s a gun show here every other weekend, which means EE pricing is more the standard I’m looking at.

Thanks for looking!
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Well, you can't sell guns on CGN that you do not own and possess, so if you're playing by the rules, you'd be able to post pictures and descriptions of the guns. Might as well do that; nobody can give you answers with what you've given here.

Each firearm's value is between zero and fair market, depending on condition.
 
Check my trader rating, I am well familiar with the EE rules.

When I picked up the three dozen or so guns from the police station the officer on duty very kindly had taken the time to log every serial number and provide the list to the CFO, not that it’s required anymore, but just to be extra super helpful. So the guns are absolutely legally mine and in my possession.

I am asking for ballpark ranges as I am not familiar with the markets on these particular guns. If they end up on the EE, I will have pictures and conditions listed.

Seems to me there’s also a rule about starting a “what’s this worth?” thread as an EE work around. But I want to know what they’re worth so I know what I could get for them IF they were to be put up for sale.

While the guns are technically mine, the previous owner is still hoping to retain as many as he can when his troubles are over, and he is trying to assign value to them, whether sentimental or monetary, so if and when he needs to sell to pay his lawyer/ex wife/me we know which ones to start with.

I’ve already sold some run of the mill items, a tactical 870 and a handful of Tikkas for example, as they are replaceable (and I’m familiar with the market on them).

I am not familiar with some of these unusual (to me) European calibres though, hence my post.
 
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Well the problem is is that they’re milsurps, so they could be worth anywhere from almost nothing if they’re rusted to ####, or as others have said, market value. The one that’s not, WK180 parts gun, what’s wrong with it? What parts need replacement? I don’t think you’ll get much help without providing more details and pictures which you should’ve done in the first place anyways.
 
All guns are in good cosmetic and functioning order, (except the WK180).

As stated, I don’t know what is attractive about these. From my perspective, they are old guns with obsolete or hard to find calibres. I’m a shooter, not a collector.

Are matching serial numbers important? Where are the numbers located? What proof marks should I look for?

To answer the question above, the WK appears to be complete except for the missing buttstock. It’s a gen 1 I think, which supposedly ran well for the first little while but started having feeding issues, so buddy filed down the feed ramp and made it worse. So aside from a buttstock and apparently a new barrel, it probably needs some TLC, which is why I personally have avoided these guns.
 
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As stated, I don’t know what is attractive about these. From my perspective, they are old guns with obsolete or hard to find calibres. I’m a shooter, not a collector.
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All the more reason to POST PICTURES. Seriously, how hard is that. You’re asking all these questions because you don’t know, so why not just snap pictures of every part of the gun, every marking you see, and let people who know do the rest. Do a bit of work instead of beating around the bush.
 
I didn’t even know this stuff was considered milsurp yet here we are now.

When I picked the guns up from the RCMP and had to sign for the whole list, which the M1 was on, there was no discussion or additional paperwork about it being restricted. I compared it to my Chiappa M1-9 and it is roughly the same dimensions, if that helps at all.
 
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I seem to recall my buddy saying something about one of the Kar98K rifles having an original sling which was worth a couple hundred dollars on its own to a collector. One of them has some marks and engravings on various components of the bolt. So does the Swede M38.

I’ve had a couple PMs from helpful members telling me what to look for and where to look for it to help determine where these guns fit on the price range, but still hoping to get more info.

Thank you.
 

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If the bolts and receivers match with decent bores, here is what I would sell them for at the Shop.

- K-98 Mausers $1,200.00 each
- Swedish M-38 Mauser $800.00
- M-1 Carbine $800.00
- Lee-Enfield Ishapore .410 Musket $950.00
 
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The M-1 looks as if it has a barrel extension installed. Barrel extensions no longer count toward barrel length for non-restricted classification.
If so, it is probably restricted. If there is no accompanying restricted registration certificate, it is trouble waiting to happen, as unregistered restricted.
 
The M-1 looks as if it has a barrel extension installed.

If that is the case, best option is to re-barrel with a new 20 inch barrel. But that will be expensive so in that case only a few hundred dollars for the the M-1 Carbine.
 
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I’d price similarly to JP but a little less for the Ishapore and the m38- around $700 maybe if you actually want a sale.

The Wk-180 is basically worth nothing IMO. Nobody wants to build those rifles as they’re junk, and if you need replacement parts, the receivers aren’t the things you’ll need to replace. So the value of a crappy trigger and a barrel… not much.
 
And here all I thought folks talked about in this forum was about how to tuck their golf shirts into their belted Jean-shorts, or if light or dark socks look better pulled all the way up when wearing sandals.

Thank you all.
 
Hey hey hey! Don't knock the "72 hours of summer - Yukon 2024" look! =)

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And here all I thought folks talked about in this forum was about how to tuck their golf shirts into their belted Jean-shorts, or if light or dark socks look better pulled all the way up when wearing sandals.

Thank you all.
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You know it’s a good Yukon summer, all three days of it, when you’ve got sock tan lines.

Does anyone here know much about the Ishapore? I’ve heard some pretty different thoughts on pricing. This one chambers (and shoots) modern 410 apparently just fine, but I don’t know if that is a selling feature or not. Pretty neat gun.
 
2 schools of thought on that.

one is the purist collector who wants it all original

the other is the average collector who wants to shoot what they own

I would prefer to have the 410 reamed out from 2 1/2 to 2 3/4 so that it can be easily shot

I don't really think that it really makes a difference on pricing in the case of enfield 410 rifles unless it was an absolute pristine example... and good luck finding one of those, all those rifles have had long hard use.
 
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