need some info all matchinh k98 NEW PICS!!!!!!

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Hi All, I recently purchased what is said to be an authentic vet bring back K98. So far I have found out that everything appears to be matching and was produced by J.P. Sauer in 1938 ( 147 ) .. The only things that I see missing are the front sight hood, cleaning rod, sling and bayonet, but everything with #'s is matching, I have not gone to far with cleaning as I would like to preserve the patina that is on this rifle. I removed the action from the stock to inspect and check the #'s and it looks like it has been many years since the inside of this wood has seen the light of day. I have fired this rifle ( about 40 rounds ) to test function and its flawless. Any more info you guys can provide as to possible value of this rifle would be great. I'm just waiting for the camera battery to charge and then I will post pics....I don't want to use the stupid phone camera!! Cheers All !!
 
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Well it sounds really interesting! I can't wait to see some pics. 1938 most likely won't have a sight hood unless it was cut for one later at a depot while in for other repairs. The 1939 Sauer I owned wasn't cut. Original rods can be purchased from several places and you may be able to find one with the correct numbers for your serial. It won't be the original rod but at least it will look the part.

Be very careful with the cleaning. Too much and you'll severely hurt the collector value.
 
While you're waiting for your camera to charge, here is a link to the matching 1939 Sauer I once owned. This is a 100% correct and original rifle you can compare yours to.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/907726-Matching-1939-Sauer

And some advice on shooting yours. If what you have is indeed an untouched and matching unit, then it is worth quite a bit and I personally wouldn't shoot it. There are those that disagree with this idea saying that all guns were made to be shot and so on but the fact is that guns are mechanical devices and even ones as well built and engineered as a M98 do break or wear on occasion. It's only all matching and original once. If something breaks or the stock cracks you could be out quite a bit of money. Chances are it will be fine but I personally don't risk it with mine. A m/m or refurb of some sort can be purchased for cheap and shot without too much worry and will perform the exact same.

Just something to consider. I'll wait to see pics before commenting any further.
 
I would use a bit of Bronze wool, ( no grade of steel wool substitutes. Must be bronze) And work at the rust very gently with maybe a little varsol. Just take off the loose surface rust then oil it and wipe down. Anything more then that and you will hurt it.

As to value?, we would need more pics of all numbers, and while it is a nice looking rifle its got some issues that I can see already.

The cartouches in the stock look like they have been sanded away and the wood treated. Also the recoil lug is in backwards, a typical sign someone has worked on the wood. Also the safety is un numbered.
 
Hi ratrod72,

Unfortunately, matching K98k's are getting tougher to find in Canada and there's not many reputable sellers of these rifles.

Without more detailed photos it would appear the gun has been re-blued, the biggest red flag for me:

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You can see the parts above almost have a parkerized or sand blasted texture, while the finish should be a high polish bluing.

Here's a similar shot of a 1938 Mauser Borsigwalde for comparison:

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Full photos here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/761808-Matching-pre-war-1938-Luftwaffe-98K

There's a lot of scams and mis-information regarding 'matching' K98k's here on CGN. Keep in mind there's no moderation of what's listed on EE, so it's important to only buy from who you really trust and when in doubt get second opinions before spending the money. There are some real K98k gurus here who can help you out, but you gotta post photos for review before buying.

Lots of detailed photos and the other guys will be able to point out any technical issues with the numbering, or unnumbered parts.

-Steve
 
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So hard to tell from those pics but I would also say it's been reblued. It just doesn't look like your typical Sauer blue job. Hard to say on the stock as well.

You could post up some pics taking outside in natural lighting. Not direct sunlight but in some slight shade or during an overcast day. That will help show the true color of stuff. Close ups of the sling and bolt cutouts will help determine more with the stock.

It's definitely a nice looking K98k though. I would like to see more of it.
 
The side acceptance are no worse than the ones on the Sauer I used to own. If it has been reblued, I would say it wasn't polished any further. It just looks blued over the pitting. The bolt cutout looks crisp from the one pic so I'm not sure on the sanding either.

Clear well lit pics are needed to make any sort of further assessment of it in my opinion.
 
jbmauser said:
The side acceptance are no worse than the ones on the Sauer I used to own. If it has been reblued, I would say it wasn't polished any further. It just looks blued over the pitting. The bolt cutout looks crisp from the one pic so I'm not sure on the sanding either.

Clear well lit pics are needed to make any sort of further assessment of it in my opinion.
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I disagree. Look in Karabiner and the pic sticky reference, dont see many with markings that washed out on the right side. They are actually quite crisp on most.

The edges of the sling cutout look rounded, as do the edges of the stock, better pics would answer it for sure though. Its definitely been treated with something though.
 
CanadianAR said:
I disagree. Look in Karabiner and the pic sticky reference, dont see many with markings that washed out on the right side. They are actually quite crisp on most.

The edges of the sling cutout look rounded, as do the edges of the stock, better pics would answer it for sure though. Its definitely been treated with something though.
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Why you.....:mad:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/907726-Matching-1939-Sauer

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The thing I don't understand is that if it has been polished then why that one area only? Why not take out some of the pitting and do the bands etc.?

Tough to say at this point. I'm just arguing for the fun of it now.:p
 
If I was going to argue strenuously that the rifle is OK, I would have to argue maybe a depot rebuild, but I personally think it's a post-war reblue with a sanded stock.
 
Thanks for all the info guys, but most of you are right about the pics. I'll try to get better ones this weekend out in the yard but that might be kinda tricky with all the snow. The rifle looks much different in the pics than up close. Even if it is a rebuild or whatever may have happened I'm not in this thing very deep at all so I might just keep it and shoot it some more. But only after a little more investigation and pics for the guru's to examine maybe we can be closer to figuring out the history of this neat rifle. For now it has a good home in my small milsurp collection. Thanks again for the info and please keep it coming.


Cheers ratrod72
 
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