need to find a C5 GPMG/m1919 starlight scope mount

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Has anyone ever seen one of these mounts? I bought a working Canadian PVS-501 gen 1 starlight scope and the mount it came with is for either an FAL or I was told its for a M2HB. I know they made these mounts for the C5 GPMP so if anyone can point me in the direction of one that would be awesome! Something tells me Stencollector might know something about this topic


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Pretty sure that adapter is for the CarlG.

The 501 scope was primarily used on the C3 and on the Carl G. But I did have an adapter around for the FN C1A1.

I had a half dozen or so of those scopes back when they surplussed them off. At the same time I also picked up a half dozen of the PVS502 and TVS502s. I think I liked the 501s the best.

I have the adapter downstairs to mount the 502s onto the GPMG, but don't think I have ever seen the 501 adapter. That looks like a good book you have scanned: is ti from the collector grade series? What is the title?

Here is a photo of another CarlG adapter I have kicking around. Note the similar mounting feature as yours.
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Should I custom make a mount by butchering the one that came with the scope? The scope came with the transit case and works fine but the reticle looks slightly faded (is there a way to adjust the reticle clarity) It did not come with a manual. I paid 650 did i do ok? The pics are take from the browning machine volume 3 by dolf l goldsmith collector grade publications. There's another section about the bolt and feed mechanism for the Canadian GPMGs. Mine gun is fully set up as a C5 the right hand side plate was made my auto ordnance but the guy that built my gun has even had it marked C5 for authenticity. It would be really cool to have this Canadian gun set up with Canadian optics.
 
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Unless you find a second one, I would not butcher the mount. Odds are that you will never own a Carl Gustav, but then again you never know.

Here are some shots of some of the various adapters used with the 1919 and the 50 cal.
Below are (from left to right) the adapter for the TVS502 to the GPMG, the adapter for the TVS 502 to the M2 50 cal, the adapter to adapt the larger rail of the TVS502 to the smaller rail of the PVS502 (the starlight usually used on the FNC1A1). The last piece is a spare of the mount that goes on the bottom of the PVS502.
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Below is the angle bracket for the GPMG. It is held on to the sight base by 3 screws, and a sefety pin gets put through them to prevent the screws form loosening.
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Below is the GPMG mount along with the rail adapter on a GPMG.
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Below is the mount with the adapter fitted:
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And lastly here are a couple shots of the GPMG fitted with the PVS502 night sight.
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The sight shown was more often found on the C1A1 rifle. The actual night sight for the 50 cal was usually the PVS502, which was about the size of an ice cream pail. The sight you have was most often used with the Carl Gustav, but in the case of all these scopes, there seemed to be various adapters to allow some degree of interchange. Problem was all these adapters were B class, and rather small, so it would seem the QMs did not merely keep a bin full of them. Plus, back in those days, you had to have entitlement to hold things like these: no entitlement meant no holding it without doing a MACR, which was usually the doorway into a ravine with no bottom.

When they were getting rid of the night sights here in Shilo, I asked for the afternoon off work so I could go attend the auction. I ended up buying all but one of the available 19 sights. Within about 3 months, further sales of these were cancelled by the DND as sensitive material.
Since I bought all the sights, the auctioneer gave me a milk crate or two of the various adapters. Before anyone starts PMing me, they are all long gone, with the exception of the few pieces I kept for my collection.
 
Regarding your PVS501, I have seen a different mount you can install to the bottom to replace the 90° mount that is currently on yours. I just did a quick google search and could not find it, however Wolverine had them about 12 years back. I remember seeing it at a gunshow....not sure John even knew for sure what the adapter was for. The straight adapter would allow you to use the scope on regular rifles without the scope hanging way off to the side, or trying to find the peculiar side rail adapters for your weapons.

Of course, shooting at night isn't that common here in Canada anyway, so it all is more of a curiosity than anything else.
 
Wow thanks for taking the time to talk with me and take the pictures of your mounts. Yeah not planning on doing alot of night shooting I was more interested in replicating the picture of the C1GPMG with the PVS-501 from the browning book I have. I can believe how far to the right of the gun the mount you have offsets the scope it looks like its over nearly a foot lol
 
You pretty much have me convinced not to butcher the CarlG mount, but its almost the perfect dimentions that if three holes were drilled in it it would line up perfectly with the screw holes on the m1919 sight mount and the scope would sit just like in the picture from the browning book front to back and just far enough to the left of the gun to allow the top cover to be operated
 
The author of your article there: GC used to be a contributor to these pages. Probably one of the most knowledgeable guys in this country. And a good guy!

He makes it to the Calgary Easter show on a regular basis. I would suggest a visit to our show in the spring and have a chat with him.

All of the scopes utilize a stanag mount on the scope. Then of course is the specific mount/attachment to the particular weapon. I can only bow to the knowledge of Stencollector.

Ive seen a few of the mounts in your book article #295, and on your scope, as being use also for M14 mounting applications.

I owned a 1919 for a couple years, and there is another CFC story with it, but I didn't ever shoot it, and quite frankly didn't spend much time and/or effort with it. So sorry, I haven't much further to contribute for your dilemma.
 
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Well thanks for your input. Maybe I can find something on the US boards if the PVS-501 uses the same mount as as a PVS-2 the US might have an m1919 mount from the Nam era..
 
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Well thanks for your input. Maybe I can find something on the US boards if the PVS-501 uses the same mount as as a PVS-2 the US might have an m1919 mount from the Nam era..
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Yes, the pvs502 is the "Canadianized" version of the US PVS4, so I'm sure the 501 is very similar, if not identical to the pvs2. I've only played with a pvs2 for a few minutes, and it looked like the one in your photos.
I've got a lot of experience with the 502.
 
Wow... I actually know CWO Gary Crocker. (He's the guy mentioned in the book as supplying the images). It actually would not surprise me if he read or proof read the book. The man is an immesurable weath of knowledge and information. A great guy and a better shot too.
 
A related question, would anyone happen to know what the thread size and pitch the three holes on the rear sight bracket are?

Would like to fab up a scope mount for my 1919.

Edit: Never mind found it, 1/4 by 28.
 
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