Need to reclassify 18.5 inch M1 Carbine ++ UPDATE post 40 ++

contact148 said:
Original barrel is almost worthless you would need to find a restricted receiver in order to install it the right colour make year and month of manufacture of the receiver to be correct, you don't need a rpal to own the barrel you are taking an original ww2 rifle and destroying it as far as collectability buy a plainfield or one of the new ones if you want non restricted
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Not the case with .30 carbine's. Altho matching receivers & barrel dates do exist there is also an equal chance that a carbine might be completely original but have receivers & barrels from completely different manufacturers That receiver ser# and barrel dates do not match. Some of the Carbine manuf. plants had neither forging capabilities to manuf. receivers nor the capability to build barrels but had the machining capabilities to all the other parts so barrels & receivers were sent to them from manufacturers that could, and assembled at the "jobber" parts plant.
 
fingers284 said:
Not the case with .30 carbine's. Altho matching receivers & barrel dates do exist there is also an equal chance that a carbine might be completely original but have receivers & barrels from completely different manufacturers That receiver ser# and barrel dates do not match. Some of the Carbine manuf. plants had neither forging capabilities to manuf. receivers nor the capability to build barrels but had the machining capabilities to all the other parts so barrels & receivers were sent to them from manufacturers that could, and assembled at the "jobber" parts plant.
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read my post carefully the right COLOUR, YEAR, MONTH of manufacture I never said the manufacture of the receiver as you are correct not everyone made barrels who made receivers
 
The overwhelming majority of US service arms went through extensive rebuilding programs. A piece that is all original parts, never rebuilt is less common. I suppose that a piece that was rebarrelled officially is more desirable than one that was rebarrelled after it was disposed of as surplus.
 
contact148 said:
read my post carefully the right COLOUR, YEAR, MONTH of manufacture I never said the manufacture of the receiver as you are correct not everyone made barrels who made receivers
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I did read it carefully., and you are wrong, colors might be the same but year & month of barrel to ser# of receiver within the same manufacturer might be off many months. Underwood was producing 7000 finished barrels a day and less than 1000 recievers in 4 different factories...the chances of correct month to month assembly became just a numbers lottery with absolutely no effort being made to join 2 birthdays together.
 
A bit of an update...

I was completing a transfer last week and I took the opportunity and asked about getting the M1 Carbine reclassified as non-restricted since the barrel has been replaced with an 18.5". She said it would have to go to a "gunsmith" to be verified (didn't indicate an approved list, just a gunsmith), the original barrel would have to go to the RCMP to be destroyed, and that I have to fax something or other to the RCMP with the verification. I said "people still fax!?". In her monotone voice (although she was pleasant enough) she assured me they did...ok. It seems a bit of a stretch to provide them with the original barrel. Does this mean if I don't have it anymore the rifle can't be reclassified? I wouldn't think so. She also said it's likely I can't do anything with it until the current situation had been resolved.

So, the journey continues. I'll provide more info when I get it.
 
There is absolutely no reason to surrender the original barrel. That only applies to short handgun barrels when a 12-6 has been reclassified to restricted with a longer barrel.
 
I'm interested in a 19" whatever barrel. I was given a universal a while back. I understand they are crap compared to others but I would like to actually use it. I have a bunch of restricteds but don't like them as much as my non restricted ones.
 
Klondiker said:
Vulcan Gun Restorations , Nick, at the top of the page, sponsors, is where I got my two criterion barrels. Nick can do all that's required for the barrel change. I did my own as I wanted to learn and gain experiance and I had great results. Great guy to deal with.
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did he help you with the reclasifications aswell?
 
Klondiker said:
A bit of an update...

I was completing a transfer last week and I took the opportunity and asked about getting the M1 Carbine reclassified as non-restricted since the barrel has been replaced with an 18.5". She said it would have to go to a "gunsmith" to be verified (didn't indicate an approved list, just a gunsmith), the original barrel would have to go to the RCMP to be destroyed, and that I have to fax something or other to the RCMP with the verification. I said "people still fax!?". In her monotone voice (although she was pleasant enough) she assured me they did...ok. It seems a bit of a stretch to provide them with the original barrel. Does this mean if I don't have it anymore the rifle can't be reclassified? I wouldn't think so. She also said it's likely I can't do anything with it until the current situation had been resolved.

So, the journey continues. I'll provide more info when I get it.
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you DO NOT have to destroy or surrender the original barrel for a rifle I have many m1 carbine GI 18" barrels on my shelf perfectly legal (none for sale)
 
Klondiker said:
No, I bought the barrels from him and did the work myself.
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Were your new barrels "short chambered" as mine was from Tradex. also was it a spin -on that indexed perfectly, mine did but as I mentioned it was short chambered about 12 thou. Never did get ahold of a pull though reamer to "finish chambering", just shortened a couple hundred brass in a trimmer "too fit". The "factory spec" for accuracy to meet original govt. contracts specified "groupings under 3" (not every rifle was fire-tested at all factories, just a random sampling from any bin) and don't know how mine shot with original barrel as I never shot it that way but with the new one, it will pretty much do an inch at 100.

I have used the little gun to kill deer but never past 100 yds.
 
Pull through finishing reamers for the M1 Carbine were once available from Clymer, but not any more AFAIK.

I have one of the famous Herlo barrels which were rejected by the US military in the early 70s. Most were chrome lined with pre-finished chambers which didn't require finish reaming, which wasn't possible with a chrome lining anyway.

Apparently the chrome lined barrels didn't meet spec in a number of ways incl irregular rifling. My barrel isn't chrome lined, has different numbers from the chrome ones, and rifling twist is OK. I bought a finish reamer to set up headspace with the barrel off receiver, but never needed to use the new Herlo barrel because I was always able to find used, serviceable GI barrels to install.
 
They were short chambered Criterion barrels. I bought a pull through reamer from Pacific Tool and Gauge in the States, no problem getting it shipped and it was here within a week. Can't ask for much more than that. I had done .308 and .30-06 in a handful of other rifles so this was familiar. Timed the barrel, finish reamed the chamber, cleaned it, put it back together and went to the range.

The carbines with these new barrels shoot extremely well. Spot on at the yards marked on the rear sight and no windage adjustment was required on either at 100m
 
Update

I took them to the Red Deer Shooting Centre and they did the reclassification. I now have the paperwork required to submit to the CFC now and it indicates on the bottom of the form to mail them to Miramachi. I'll take copies of everything before I post them but I have very low expectations as to when or if it will actually be processed.

Anyways, I thought I would give an update as to where things are at now and I'll let you all know when I receive confirmation they have been classed as non-restricted and removed from my file.
 
So I mailed and faxed, just to be sure they received them, the reclassifications done by Red Deer Shooting Centre to miramichi about 2 months ago. I called yesterday to see if the registrations were still on my list of restricted firearms and low and behold they couldn't find them. She said there is no indication the registrations exist any more so she assumes they've been removed from their system.

Job done!!
 
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