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ok so i made a bet with our project manager at work about shotgun capacity, his point of view is 'i know the laws' mine is 'remington isnt goint to sell me an illegal firearm' big money is on the line here ... $5 so i gotta have an official source to quote from. wondering what the legal limit is, he says 3 in the tube, i say more. also he says the legal cap for a rifle is 3 rounds, but im certain its 5 rounds, and more specificly magazine dependant.

so this is the specific wording of our bet
'a shotgun can not legally have more than 3 shells in it, more and its illegal'
is he right? got link?" thanks!
 
He is confused with provincial hunting regulations.

Tube mags for pump actions have no limit. Tube mags for semi auto's can't accept 6 rounds of the longest shell the gun is chambered for.
 
For hunting, is it not 2 in the tube +1 in the pipe, for 3 rounds in total? That's what the little blocker remington included in my 870 gives me, anyway. I believe that would make him wrong on all counts. So to repeat, unlimited capacity in a pump / manual action, 5 rounds in a semi, and 2 + 1 for a gun currently IN USE for hunting waterfowl.
 
For hunting, is it not 2 in the tube +1 in the pipe, for 3 rounds in total? That's what the little blocker remington included in my 870 gives me, anyway. I believe that would make him wrong on all counts. So to repeat, unlimited capacity in a pump / manual action, 5 rounds in a semi, and 2 + 1 for a gun currently IN USE for hunting waterfowl.

This has my vote for the right answer.
 
For hunting, is it not 2 in the tube +1 in the pipe, for 3 rounds in total? That's what the little blocker remington included in my 870 gives me, anyway. I believe that would make him wrong on all counts. So to repeat, unlimited capacity in a pump / manual action, 5 rounds in a semi, and 2 + 1 for a gun currently IN USE for hunting waterfowl.

This is EXACTLY what I was going to post. 100% correct.

For a gun ACTIVELY in use for waterfowl it's 2+1.

For a pump-action or bolt-action, there are (effectively) no limits; if someone made an 11-round magazine for a pump, it'd probably raise some federal eyebrows though - prohibited device etc. For a tubular magazine, 10 rounds is really a practical limit due to length; 8 is more commonly seen for sure.

A semi-auto would have a 5 round limit per big game hunting regulations (i.e. deer or moose, etc.) and 2+1 for birdgame.

In other words, you could have an 8-shot 'tactical' Remington pump, put a dowel into the mag tube (from the cap end, not the follower end, of course) such that it will take only 2 shells + 1 in the chamber, and go hunt waterfowl or other birdgame.

In fact, a practical length would be to allow 7-1/2" to 7-3/4" of follower travel. 2-3/4" x 2 = 5-1/2". 2-3/4" x 3 = 8-1/4". Thus, this length of follower travel allows (comfortably) for 2x2-3/4" shells but no more. HOWEVER, if you want to load 2 x 3-1/2" magnum shells, that's 7" - leaving an extra 1/2"-3/4" for good mag retention (i.e. easy lock-up of the shell base with the interrupter). 100% legal, 100% easy.

The rifle info he has is just plain wrong any way you slice it - not even CLOSE to the truth.

Long story short, your boss owes you 5 bucks.

-M
 
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all the info for mag restrictions (size limits) are in the Firearms Safety Course manual.3 rounds for migratory birds is a Federal law,some provinces restrict for hunting,NS don't ,she holds what she holds unless it's semi centerfire than it's limited to 5 in the mag as per Federal regs.
 
The reason that different firearms can come with any varied type of ammo capacity is because not all firerarms are built for hunters...as many of you paper hunters may know.

I know my PUMA 92 can carry 11 + 1 but there is no chance in hell I will load it to capacity during any hunting season.
 
ok so i made a bet with our project manager at work about shotgun capacity, his point of view is 'i know the laws' mine is 'remington isnt goint to sell me an illegal firearm' big money is on the line here ... $5 so i gotta have an official source to quote from. wondering what the legal limit is, he says 3 in the tube, i say more. also he says the legal cap for a rifle is 3 rounds, but im certain its 5 rounds, and more specificly magazine dependant.

so this is the specific wording of our bet
'a shotgun can not legally have more than 3 shells in it, more and its illegal'
is he right? got link?" thanks!

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/faq/default_e.asp#a6
Q. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold?

As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:

* 5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
* 10 cartridges for most handgun magazines

A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.

There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cr/SOR-98-462///en
Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,

(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,

(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or

(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or

(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or

(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;

(b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,

(ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or

(iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;

(c) is of the “drum” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as

(i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,

(ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or

(iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;

(d) is of the “metallic-strip” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;

(e) is of the “saddle-drum” type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or

(f) is of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.

(3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) is of the “snail-drum” type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or “Luger”, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;

(b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;

(c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 (“broomhandle”), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or

(d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.


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