Neit Arms - Bolt Release & Ambi Mag Release - Second Impression
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We'll post a picture. It looks like there's some 858 2V's that appear to have the mag release inletting a little deeper than most. This is causing the ambi side of the release to push up on our bolt release. Since at the factory this is not a critical dimension, a mm or two here or there makes no difference in function.. unless you're trying to design a part that straddles across the receiver.. We have reports of 4 conflicting pairs in 2V's. We have made a note on our website, and based off of only 4 conflicts we are changing the design going forward.
For those affected going forward we have recommended a user modification that takes seconds, or if you have no tools or 3 thumbs, you can send it back to us and we'll do it for you free of charge.
It requires filing or grinding 1.5mm x 1.5mm off the top edge of the right side of the release. The corner just needs a break under the bolt release.
Except that BC Tactical doesn't make a Ambi mag release.... We have a Extended mag release that many people use and there are no conflicts at all.. they're also much better made in finish, form and function. Not to mention cheaper.
Mag releases and Bolt releases are our two biggest sellers. We have sold them to users in 18 countries and have several sets being used in Iraq and Afghanistan. We do what we have to to make sure they work... because they HAVE to work.
Buy the imitations.. get an imitation.
For those affected going forward we have recommended a user modification that takes seconds, or if you have no tools or 3 thumbs, you can send it back to us and we'll do it for you free of charge.
It requires filing or grinding 1.5mm x 1.5mm off the top edge of the right side of the release. The corner just needs a break under the bolt release.
Except that BC Tactical doesn't make a Ambi mag release.... We have a Extended mag release that many people use and there are no conflicts at all.. they're also much better made in finish, form and function. Not to mention cheaper.
Mag releases and Bolt releases are our two biggest sellers. We have sold them to users in 18 countries and have several sets being used in Iraq and Afghanistan. We do what we have to to make sure they work... because they HAVE to work.
Buy the imitations.. get an imitation.
Just ground a small chamfer along the top edge of the mag release. Best to ask Neit for pics, as I am a little challenged in that department....
so I got to ask....anyone ever buy drop in 1911 parts? and if so how many people had to "fit them"? QC at CZ/VZ might be a tad lower the at Neit eveything I own the Dave is top tier and will trust my life to them
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Ouch!
Sounds like some one touched a never.
So let's compare the 2 products and let the fact's tell the truth:
NeitArms
New Model - V3 Tac Bolt Release $77.70
Heat Treated Steel & Parkerized Finish
Extended Mag Release 60.00
Made from Pre Heat Treated 4140 Steel, Parkerized
Total cost $137.70
This is were I got the info for there products.
B.C. Tactical's imitation
4140 Flame hardened Steel, Zinc coated finish Extended Magazine & Bolt Release
Yet to hear of 1 complete posted on any forum and the entire combo $114.99.
This is were I got the info for there products.
North Eastern Arms
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Zinc is a horrible coating to be left exposed on its own and should only be used pre paint. If you don't believe me i would be more then happy to have our engineer post his opinion here using U.S Aerospace standards. He was also one of the engineers who helped spec out processing for both the F-18ef and V-22 landing gear systems. Also, flame hardened is mediocre and inadequate in this application as its basically a case harding, meaning that you can and will wear through the hardened layer, type of heat treating post machining introduces the possibility of distortion and warping.Ouch!
Sounds like some one touched a never.
So let's compare the 2 products and let the fact's tell the truth:
NeitArms
New Model - V3 Tac Bolt Release $77.70
Heat Treated Steel & Parkerized Finish
Extended Mag Release 60.00
Made from Pre Heat Treated 4140 Steel, Parkerized
Total cost $137.70
This is were I got the info for there products.
B.C. Tactical's imitation
4140 Flame hardened Steel, Zinc coated finish Extended Magazine & Bolt Release
Yet to hear of 1 complete posted on any forum and the entire combo $114.99.
This is were I got the info for there products.
Neits bolt release is machined with pre hardened materials so there is no chance of warping in the product. The reason it is finished in mil spec phosphate is because its a great stand alone coating. The reason every single U.S and Nato spec calls for all exposed metals to be coated in Manganese phosphate and not zinc phosphate.
I normally do not post in these types of threads but i am getting tiered of companies selling and promoting their product, not on the merits of their product but on the perceived deficiencies of the product of their competition. It reminds me of rats squabbling for scraps. What you may not know is that not only does NEA assist Neit with their manufacturing but we are also helping them with distribution over sea's. With that said i can say with 100% certainty that Neits product was/is and will be bundled with NEA product and sent to combat units over sea's. Some of their product has been in mil circulation for over a year now and has never failed. If their product is good enough for guys hunting goat molesters in the hills it should be more then sufficient for those deploying from their lazy boys to the fridge during a commercial break.
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I had an issue with my neit bolt release and ambi mag release. With a little love with the dremel and a bit of time she works flawless. What a great setup! Thanks Neit. Next on the list is the NEA AR stock adapter.
I think the bottom line is most people do not care what or how this product is made and under what process. Both B.C. Tactical and Neit's products will out last the overall firearm. When people buy a product that is advertised as basically drop in that is what they expect. They do not what to grind away with the dremel they have but never used. I think B.C. Tactical product has the edge over Neit.
Don't want to dremel it yourself? Like I said.. send it to us and we'll do it free of charge.
Are you comparing our 'Ambi' mag release against their 'Extended' mag release? Or do you want to compare our Extended Mag release against theirs? So you can work yourself past the Apples to Oranges thing.. because last I checked BC Tactical had Zero ability to be used Ambidextrously.
You're looking at 4 conflicts in 500 ambi mag releases.. A product that is MUCH more complex than even OUR Extended mag release, and even more so than the competition. That's a 0.8% conflict rate. A conflict caused by the spec of the rifle, not our part. Based on that 0.8% conflict we altered the design of the entire program.
The product IS drop in. But often there are conflicts when using more than one aftermarket part in any given space in any number of firearms out there. take a surplus military rifle from the 50's and try and figure out how much engineering is required to get yourself down to a 0.8% failure rate and then get back to me.
Or if you want, go with the product that a guy and a blowtorch makes in a garage by modifying factory parts and compare the work, materials and function of two completely different components.
Do they work? If you say so... If all you are doing is Clearing the Pantry, our products may not be for you. I say our are built to last, have the engineering and FIELD testing at home and abroad to back it up. Ours are built to work at home or overseas. Or you can go with a company you like because they have a BC fanclub that cheers them on blindly. If there was a superior product trust me, our clients overseas would be using it. But there just isn't, and we're quire proud of that fact. .
Personally, I choose to base my opinion on experience and the merit of the product.. and so do our customers.
Also tired of the Satain show... Just come out and tell people who you're working for already.
WOW, I am really surprised you lost the word "TROLL" from your vocabulary when referring to " Satain". I have known Satain through the times at the range and on CGN. He is the only guy I have known that seems to buy just about every aftermarket assy out there. If the products are good he will let you know and if not he will tell you the product is sh*t in his opinion. This is not the NeitArms or the Satain show so suck it up...............
You are wrong there, I have purchased your products in the past. I decided the CZ/VZ platform was not for me and sold them off along with your products. What am I still doing here, let see I am waiting to see if your $1000.00 Canadian made AR pans out compaired to the $675.00 Chinese AR. I personally don't think anybody can compete with the Chinese, but time will tell.
Just my 2.5 cents
That's what I love to hear!
Sure no problem. My company is called Sumas Painting Ltd.
That's right I am a painter of comercial and residental property. As for the rest of "My dad will beat your Dad" type of coments I reserve that for the penut gallery.
Now for anyonelse thinking about doing this mod to the NeitArms product please contact them first as when I did this type of mod my warrenty was no longer vaild. Although now that they now that there is a problem I am sure that they can now rework it not to have any more future issues.
This is why I love this site. Truley its the only place were consumers and manufactor/retailers can have an open discusion and make our shooting sport better.
P.S. The first company ever to manufactor 858 Extend Magazine release was Dlask Arms Corp in 07. I know this cuz when they moded my AK drum to work on the 858 I also baught that part cuz removing that mag was a pain in the rear.
