Never saw such a thing in 35 years of hunting
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7 coyotes killed a buck last february in my neighbours backyard 20 yards from the backdoor at 7:30 in the morning. We figure the deer was trying to cross the highway but the coyotes got to him before. I followed the tracks in the snow when i got home and figured they chased him for almost a mile and had him down in one spot and he was bleeding pretty good. She called my house that morning as the coyotes were eatting it. too bad I was already gone to work, they devoured the rear end of the buck in about 20 minutes before she finally yelled at them and scared them off, they ran back 300 yards and sat like dogs watching the house.
Archery season 2007 - every time I tried a cow elk call, a coyote showed up. I had a bad hit on a whitetail doe at last light..I returned to track the next the next day it was completely stripped (see also: "piranha") I wouldn't say they are evolving, but there sheer numbers and urbanized behavior have given them that appearance.
Hey Rob
The sheep farmer I am referring to is actually just north west of you near Pointe Fortune. The Valleyfield office (faune) is aware of the problem and has made some exceptions and has pemitted coyote hunting in the area.
Yes, near Pointe Fortune to be more accurate
well where I am the MNR say there are Wolf/Coyote hybrids they call them the "Tweed Wolf".....I have seen all black Coyotes here which are most likely the hybrids they are bigger then your standard Coyote.
Pretty much every coyote east of the ON/MB border is a hybrid. Eastern yotes have a strong incidence of wolf DNA in them. That accounts for the larger size and color variations. Dogs, wolves and yotes are essentially the same species. All can interbreed and all can produce viable offspring. Foxes and yotes CAN'T though -- too different genetically. A coyote is essentially a little wolf and is hardwired in a similar fashion.
When coyotes first started east and moved through areas with low wolf populations, they and the wolves had few choices in what they could shag. So while out here they would eat each other, in the wolf/coyote poor east they screwed. You got the Eastern coyote, the brush wolf or the Tweed wolf (whatever you care to call it). Enjoy.
That is very interesting information.
So I guess, in their own way, they have evolved in the last 20 years. After all, is not evolution the way animals change and adapt to their surroundings so that they may better survive as the world around them changes?
Like "Legs in the Air" just said........... hmmmmmm, very interesting.
Regards, Robert
Around Kingston, one of our MNR officers calls them "coy-dogs". I have shot several coyotes over the years, they seem to average around 35-40 lbs for the ones I shot, but I have seen much bigger. I rather enjoy seeing coyotes while I am hunting, but I think things are swinging out of balance into the coyotes favour. Deer numbers are way down in this area, and there is some contraversy about the effectiveness of hunting coyotes. Some people say they breed more when they are huntes to compensate, that may be true, but I still say get out there and do what you can to help restore the balance.
happened to my dog last year and shes 120lbs, 5 of them came up by the house and circled her,I heard her barking a strange bark and went to see,they didnt even flinch with me there,luckily I was cleaning a shotgun next to the door and went out,got 2 which was damn good for night time,full moon helped
Curoius... care to enlighten us with your source on that? Shakespeare perhaps? To eat or screw, that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to take some mangy 'yote, or wait upon fortune for a happier meal, and in that end my hunger. To shag, to pass it up but no in one hump I may by my loins increase my harvest as I do rear them as my own.
Any of this ringin' a bell?
We have a Pack that tends to Spend some time on our Ranch thats North of Vernon BC, I think there is about 7 of them!!
we have 3 Collies! had a ##### come into the yard acting like it was Hurt and trying to lure one of the dogs out! pack was on the other side of the Small hill in the back yard!! I wasnt there at the time just my Grandparents but the yotes would't leave even when they went out side to Yell the ##### backed off and the rest of the pack came out and watched!!
So not Right!!
Adanac00
There are many sources. Here are just a couple that highlight coyote/wolf hybridization. Basically the Great Lakes acted like a bottle neck that pushed eastern wolves, coyotes and western gray wolves together and allowed them to interbreed to a certain extent. The result is that most wolves and yotes east of there are some version of mutt. The big fight in the US right now is whether the endangered red wolf is really a wolf at all or just a hybrid of wolf and coyote.
Introgression of coyote mitochondrial DNA into sympatric North American gray wolf populations.
Lehman, Niles.
Evolution (0014-3820)
1 Feb 1991. Vol.45,Iss.1;p.104(16)
Genetic Characterization of Hybrid Wolves across Ontario.
Wilson, Paul J.; Grewal, Sonya K.; Mallory, Frank F.; White, Bradley N.; Wilson, Paul J.
Journal of Heredity (0022-1503)
7/2/2009. Vol.100;p.S80-S89
Origin and status of the Great Lakes wolf.
Koblmuller, Stephan.
Molecular Ecology (0962-1083)
1 Jun 2009. Vol.18,Iss.11;p.2313(14)
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Another source too....
"Eastern Coyote, the Story of It's Success'
and is backed by DNA research from scientists.
In regard to the pack-like behaviour rlg, this is not uncommon on the prairies. If one finds say a higher concentration of deer, due to grain spillage or whatever human produced feed, coyote pack behaviour is bound to be witnessed, sooner or later. I've seen this myself several years ago, just south of Moose Jaw.
In further defence of sjemac, this hybredization is also published in Gerry Parker's book entitled:
"Eastern Coyote, the Story of It's Success'
and is backed by DNA research from scientists.
In regard to the pack-like behaviour rlg, this is not uncommon on the prairies. If one finds say a higher concentration of deer, due to grain spillage or whatever human produced feed, coyote pack behaviour is bound to be witnessed, sooner or later. I've seen this myself several years ago, just south of Moose Jaw.
yep, there are so many of these things around these days that every year you can see a number of them ending up as roadkills between hwy 40 and St-Angelique. Seems that they are just as common as skunks and racoons when it comes to roadkill.
