Could be right.You really shouldn't say that especially on an open forum.....somebody's wife could read that and believe it
Could be right.You really shouldn't say that especially on an open forum.....somebody's wife could read that and believe it
Interesting.In the past I used a Browning Auto 5 recoil operated gun almost all the time for waterfowl.Never had any problems with it,but that is just me.For myself, I have noticed no difference when using a gas gun or recoil gun.Been using a Winchester Super-X Model 3 of late years.However,that is just me and I know there is a big debate between those who favour gas or recoil guns.I dont have a sbe 3 but I had a 28ga legacy. Loved the gun but I much preferred the gass operated a400 xplor. The way the bolt reciprocated was the main reason. The beretta is fast. Way faster whereas the benelli was a drawn out ca-chunk. Very noticeable and alot slower. Both guns were flawless in reliability but the beretta was smoother and faster which keeps me focused on the target and not wondering if the gun didnt cycle. My 1100s jam when the bolts start to slow down and with autos I always pay more attention to the sounds of the gun
I find gas guns to have less muzzlerise as well. Not noticeable so much in 28s but 12s and 20s I notice it. By far the worst for me is the browning auto 5 type recoil. I just cant seem to come around to it. We like what we like and im thankful for the variety of arms we have. Its always fun to watch my buddies 3.5" guns struggle to be autoloaders with light target loads
As for the 28ga I dont shoot mine enough to justify getting another with a longer chamber designed for steel loads I likely wouldnt use more than once every 5 years. Im at the point in my life I need to downsize for more space
The SX-3 is likely the best value is a semi auto shotgun, totally reliable if maintained, at a reasonable price.Interesting.In the past I used a Browning Auto 5 recoil operated gun almost all the time for waterfowl.Never had any problems with it,but that is just me.For myself, I have noticed no difference when using a gas gun or recoil gun.Been using a Winchester Super-X Model 3 of late years.However,that is just me and I know there is a big debate between those who favour gas or recoil guns.
The Winchester Model 3 is much lighter than my old 32 inch barrel,3 inch Auto 5.Makes carrying over distance,much easier.![]()
Would have to agree with you on that.It is no longer in production,but the Winchester Super-X Model 4 is the same action with some differences in lay out.The SX-3 is likely the best value is a semi auto shotgun, totally reliable if maintained, at a reasonable price.
The SX-4 is just an attempt to reduce the cost of the SX-3, but it is still a good shotgun.Would have to agree with you on that.It is no longer in production,but the Winchester Super-X Model 4 is the same action with some differences in lay out.A great gun as well in my opinion.I have one,but have not used it much.
All true.The SX-4 is just an attempt to reduce the cost of the SX-3, but it is still a good shotgun.
The same could be said for the SX-2, 3 and 4.The SX-4 is just an attempt to reduce the cost of the SX-3, but it is still a good shotgun.
The SX-2 definitely, the SX-1 was far too expensive to produce, but to me, the SX-3 was actually an improvement over the SX-2, it feels slimmer/quicker. Then with the SX-4, the shims were dropped, and the stock design seems simpler/cheaper.The same could be said for the SX-2, 3 and 4.
Amen!!As much as I like my 28 gauge for upland hunting, if I think that I need a 3" load, I will just use a 20 or 12 gauge. The manufacturers aren't going to offer a large variety of 28 gauge waterfowl loads, because the demand is small. And the price will always be much higher for 28 gauge, which adds up for waterfowl, where I shoot a lot more volume than for upland birds. As for the people shooting 3-1/2" loads for waterfowl, they also seem to shoot a lot more, and take home less birds, they would be better served, to spend some time and money shooting skeet or sporting clays, to improve their shooting skills.
That is a beautiful Model 23!I find it puzzling that some of my extremely talented shooter friends dislike the inertia recoil sensation of a Benelli and much prefer a gas gun instead. They complain about more felt recoil yet their O/U recoil yet even more!! Most of then have developed a little flinch that creeps up at the most inopportune times. Ahhh, the curse if the 12g. On the other hand my 28’s are gentle caress on my cheek, like the kiss of a young maiden.
….another great day on birds with a Win23 in 28g and a fabulous eggs Benny breaky afterwards…cheers !!
The manufacturers are not going to make much of a selection of 28 gauge waterfowl loads, with so little demand. Boss in the USA is probably one of the better sources of non toxic shot for the 28 gauge, they sell a lot in rhe USA because of the non toxic restrictions on some state lands for pheasants and other upland birds. But Boss doesn't market their ammunition in Canada.I dare say ,the market for a 28 gauge waterfowl gun and ammunition with be on the limited side.Those who really enjoy the 28 gauge or those who want to put a little more sport into their waterfowl hunting,will most likely be using the 28 gauge to do so.
I know a fair number of good shots, who use the 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch guns.They seem to come back with a fair bit of game and shoot no more than those shooting lesser 12 gauges,who get less game.A lot of the hard core waterfowl hunters I know ,swear by the 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge ,using either steel Winchester or Federal Black Cloud ammunition.![]()
The manufacturers are not going to make much of a selection of 28 gauge waterfowl loads, with so little demand. Boss in the USA is probably one of the better sources of non toxic shot for the 28 gauge, they sell a lot in rhe USA because of the non toxic restrictions on some state lands for pheasants and other upland birds. But Boss doesn't market their ammunition in Canada.
As for the hard core waterfowl hunters that I know, they spend more time scouting, and they set up properly, so they are shooting most of their birds at proper ranges, with 3" loads. They don't see the need to spend more on 3-1/2" shells, and deal with more recoil, when 3" shells work well for them. We use guns that will handle 3-1/2" loads, but we still shoot 3".
It's too bad that Boss can't be convinced to market their products in Canada, if they do at some point , it will give shooters more choice in non toxic shot.Yes ,its as I said, the market for a 28 gauge waterfowl load is limited.Kent and Winchester both make a Bismuth 3 inch load.Winchester and Federal both make a 3 inch steel load and Winchester a 3 inch TSS load that that could be used also.Expensive for sure,but so is Bismuth or TSS in 12 or 20 gauge.
As to who does and does not use a 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge shell,I do not want to get into a long winded debate.So all I am saying is ,what I see in my area.Now what you see in your area may, be different.Why ?Perhaps different ways of hunting,different styles of hunting etc.
I doubt you will change your observations ,or me mine.So lets just let it go at that.
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As to who does and does not use a 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge shell,I do not want to get into a long winded debate.So all I am saying is ,what I see in my area.Now what you see in your area may, be different.Why ?Perhaps different ways of hunting,different styles of hunting etc.
I doubt you will change your observations ,or me mine.So lets just let it go at that.
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