NEW ANTIQUE FRT CHANGES and Addendum to altered cartridges handguns

[dingus]

OK there was and Addendum to the Altered Centerfire Antique Handguns just done when the FRT changes from that swiss rifle went into effect.
There is a NEW CFC Policy on altered antique handguns ..
Im the messenger so dont shoot me i dont make CFC policy i have to deal with it just like everyone else.

this is my interpratation of a conversation on the new addendum.

The new Addendum says that a gun must be in and antique cartridge to start with then it can be altered to 45 acp its still antique.
Im going to stick with 45 acp here as and example in this PM but its not hard to figger out 38 Sp and 44 Sp ext are also effected.
So all Pre 1898 webleys that were antique in 455 but altered to 45 Acp are ok
All french 1873s that were altered to 45 acp are OK.
Why because they started life as perscribed antiques when they were original in 455 and 11 mm.
Now if you have a SAA colt that was 45 colt they will not grant that gun antique status even if its changed to 45 acp.
If the SAA colt was 44 40 and it was changed to 44 sp or 38 sp same thing no go.
The handgun must have started life as a prescribed antique or they wont grant it antique status.
So any 41 Colts can be changed to anything not on the No list so can 455 and 44 russian anything not on the stupid cartridge list to start with.
41 long colts will be very popular now because of this addendum so if you have one id hang onto it.
Keep in mind theres no way to tell what most SAA colts were in originaly as alot were just frames built by guys like Bob christy or other gunsmiths in the USA this policy will effect guys wanting to deregister there SAA colts in Canada where CFC can see which cartridge they were registered in.
This new addendum is mainly aimed at people who want to deregister SAA colts that are Antique by age but not by caliber in Canada i guess there was alot of this happening.
Its New policy im not saying its law as i dont see how they can change SOR/98-464 with policy im by no meensd a lawyer .
They just wont grant antique letters to guns that were not antique by cartridge and age anymore or deregister them.
They will do each gun on a one by one case just like they always have.
Anyway thats all i know for now.
I do not know how this effects the guns already lettered they may grandfather the ones out there now as the other option would get expensive for them fast.
Im just posting what i know about the addendum so people can be prepared for it.

CFC alowed handguns in the past to be deregistered that were restricted handguns in Canada they made that choice to do it so if they now say that was all a mistake this could cost them alot.

 

[gutinater]

I dont see how they an institute a policy that is contrary to the letter of the law?

Steve

 

[dingus]

I dont see how they an institute a policy that is contrary to the letter of the law?

Steve

I agree with you .
but there doing this.

 

[DANCESWITHEMPTIES]

I dont see how they an institute a policy that is contrary to the letter of the law?

Steve

Like keeping the LGR on file?

 

[gutinater]

So does that mean they will just not issue letters or they do not recognize the antique status of these guns anymore?

 

[9mms2k]

I dont see how they an institute a policy that is contrary to the letter of the law?

Steve

This.

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

Canadian gun laws aren't supposed to make sense. They're based on emotion, and as anyone who's ever had any dealings with teenage girls knows, that's a "No Logic Allowed" zone.

Good luck, Dingus - I know this sort of foolishness is likely to have some effect on you more than most folks.

 

[CanAm]

They can do it because they control whether a gun is de-registered, just like deacts.

 

[H Wally]

I saw this coming frankly - They've pulled all their major lists from the RCMP website - prohibs, status', all major definitions and clarifications, and they've been taking a massively long time to process antique letters.

Questions is, how do we push back?

 

[saddlehills]

PHONE THE OFFICE OF YOUR MP !!!!!!
VOICE YOUR DISPLEASURE !!!!!

I just got off the phone with mine and they have been receiving calls all morning….

Flood the phone lines, write your letters.

 

[dingus]

PHONE THE OFFICE OF YOUR MP !!!!!!
VOICE YOUR DISPLEASURE !!!!!

I just got off the phone with mine and they have been receiving calls all morning….

Flood the phone lines, write your letters.

This is very true ^ I called my MP....
Thats our way of pushing back.

 

[H Wally]

I can confirm what Dingus' is saying - I called and asked to deregister a colt in 44-40 that has been rechambered to 44 Russian and they said it won't go through since they're writing new policy that limits what guns can be given antique status.

They're focusing on the "designed or adapted to" line of the criminal code definition, meaning that once a revolver is designed to fire a no-go cartridge, it will always be legally considered to be chambered in that cal.

So like Dingus says:
A .455 Webley gun is ok because it was never in a no-go cal.
A 45 Long colt gun can never be deregistered because once chambered for 45 Long colt, it will always be legally considered to be in that caliber.

 

[cheeseburgereatin]

I dont see how they an institute a policy that is contrary to the letter of the law?

Steve

They are ####ing tyrannical that's how.

 

[fingers284]

Well that sucks big time...I'm just in the process of purchasing a Black powder frame SAA in .45 to change over to .41 with parts I already have.

 

[dingus]

From my understanding if the Antique handgun in question, if theres no way to tell what it was cartridge wise before it was altered then it can be granted antique status in any cartridge not on that stupid NO list.
So that meens alot of the christy colts and others bought in 44 sp and 38 sp when theres no way for us to know what they were in originaly then that gun can be granted antique status.
The new Addendum is really gona effect handguns registered in Canada that people want to change they cant do that anymore under the new rules.
If your buying a gun thats altered to say 44 sp and theres no way to see what it was before that then it will be granted antique status and a letter.
most of the ones imported from the USA they could have had the calibers changed who knows how many times in 120 years.
So that will be important to anyone with SAAs in 45 acp 44 sp 38 sp ect.

 

[41 Colt]

I do not know how this effects the guns already lettered they may grandfather the ones out there now as the other option would get expensive for them fast.
Im just posting what i know about the addendum so people can be prepared for it.

They would have to grandfather the ones already deregistered. How many have you yourself deregistered and sold to someone, who then sold it to someone else? Good luck finding them. IMO anyone who currently has a deregistered antique this does not affect you.

 

[41 Colt]

Just found this in another thread:

 

[9mms2k]

Bla bla bla. Edit so as to not hand out ideas.

 

[dingus]

edited...
its up to each Firearms Tec you deal with if the gun meets antique status or not. its gona depend on what they want need ask.
Dont assume anything with CFC would be my advise.

 

[dingus]

They would have to grandfather the ones already deregistered. How many have you yourself deregistered and sold to someone, who then sold it to someone else? Good luck finding them. IMO anyone who currently has a deregistered antique this does not affect you.

I hope your right thats what i said to.
I have not deregistered more than one or two SAA colts in 10 years it was to much of a pain.
Your right about not finding them and i think the grandfather idea will work on ones already deregistered.