New AR failure to fire **Solved operator error**

b) yes there are marks on the primer the firing pin has been lubed as per manufactures instructions (very light film of CLP) nothing into the firing pin channel though.
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I have never lubed the firing pin on an AR. Ever. Not even once. ;)
Not to 'doubt' the manufacturers instructions, but try running the firing pin dry. Sounds counter intuitive but sometimes lube on the firing pin causes problems.

If you can get a hold of a 'no go' and a 'field' gauge, I would try those to check the chamber, just in case. If it's firing 90+% it's probably not the issue but it's not a bad idea to check.

Its probably the hammer spring, though. I recall them having issues with a batch(es) of springs, so it could be just slightly under-powered. If you have a friend with an AR and you feel competent enough to do it, swap out the spring and see if the problem goes away.

Or you can contact NEA and fill out a warranty ticket.
 
Not to d:h:...
but for the relatively few numbers of these (again, assuming we're still talking about a NEA here) in consumer's hands there certainly seems to be a disproportionate number of recurring problems (and ironically, I thought many of these were supposed to have been ironed out several generations ago?)

I never thought the Norc's were great, but as a starter AR the price is hard to beat - and it's pretty scary that the level of quality control on the Norc continues to rival what we've seen with NEA. Even with the vast numbers of Norcs out there, we haven't seen anything approaching the 'glitches' that we've seen on the NEA ARs.
 
WHY DOES ANYONE BUY THESE #### RIFLES? ffs, SEND IT BACK AND BUY A REAL RIFLE!

I would NOT be pissing around with junk. Send it back, and move on. The fact that they have "pulled, been kicked off CGN?" is telling enough. They #### up every single rifle they produce. I have not seen one single thread that didnt end up being a problem with their junk in one way or another.

If the chinese can produce a rifle that is not full of problems, then why cant another company do the same with the same parts? Maybe norinco is secretly selling them junk parts so they arent a threat to norincos success? d:h:
 
blaxsun said:
Not to d:h:...
but for the relatively few numbers of these (again, assuming we're still talking about a NEA here) in consumer's hands there certainly seems to be a disproportionate number of recurring problems (and ironically, I thought many of these were supposed to have been ironed out several generations ago?)

I never thought the Norc's were great, but as a starter AR the price is hard to beat - and it's pretty scary that the level of quality control on the Norc continues to rival what we've seen with NEA. Even with the vast numbers of Norcs out there, we haven't seen anything approaching the 'glitches' that we've seen on the NEA ARs.
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As sad as it is to say, but that's the relative truth of what's happened with the NEAs. I remember waiting for them to come out, when Questar came out with their 850$ deal... Boy I'm glad I didn't try to hold out for the NEAs

Coming from an aerospace company, you'd think they'd have taken their practice for well made parts and machining and translate it over to firearm making... Just my 2 cents tho
 
Not to ...
but for the relatively few numbers of these (again, assuming we're still talking about a NEA here) in consumer's hands there certainly seems to be a disproportionate number of recurring problems (and ironically, I thought many of these were supposed to have been ironed out several generations ago?)

I never thought the Norc's were great, but as a starter AR the price is hard to beat - and it's pretty scary that the level of quality control on the Norc continues to rival what we've seen with NEA. Even with the vast numbers of Norcs out there, we haven't seen anything approaching the 'glitches' that we've seen on the NEA ARs.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heh heh
 
Whoever made your rifle, send it back to them. A new rifle should fire more than 50 rounds without sh!tting the bed.
 
Besides there is no way this could be a NEA rifle. Dave said that they are all tested before they leave the plant, even the ones that don't fire come with empty cases:rolleyes:
 
also run your FIRING PIN DRY... absolutely dry, no lube at all, and none coating the channel it goes into, this is the only component that HAS TO BE DRY

any oil on the firing pin can work to the front, filling the the channel so now you have a hydraulic press instead of a channel for the firing pin, the oil wont compress, and the pin will hit the primer lightly, if at all, even a very very small amount of oil will do this.

I have had this happen to me when I got some CLP in fireing pin channel before.
 
*MALICE* said:
I have never lubed the firing pin on an AR. Ever. Not even once. ;)
Not to 'doubt' the manufacturers instructions, but try running the firing pin dry. Sounds counter intuitive but sometimes lube on the firing pin causes problems.

If you can get a hold of a 'no go' and a 'field' gauge, I would try those to check the chamber, just in case. If it's firing 90+% it's probably not the issue but it's not a bad idea to check.

Its probably the hammer spring, though. I recall them having issues with a batch(es) of springs, so it could be just slightly under-powered. If you have a friend with an AR and you feel competent enough to do it, swap out the spring and see if the problem goes away.

Or you can contact NEA and fill out a warranty ticket.
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Thanks, I'll try running it dry and see what happens.
I don't want to mention the manufacturer because if it something that I did (too much lube on the pin) I didn't think another $hitshow thread was needed.
I"ll also see if I can't find some gauges.
 
Tiwaz said:
Thanks, I'll try running it dry and see what happens.
I don't want to mention the manufacturer because if it something that I did (too much lube on the pin) I didn't think another $hitshow thread was needed.
I"ll also see if I can't find some gauges.
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Well I think at this point you clear NEA’s good name, or we all assume it is the dissenting manufacturer that we all love.
 
jdman said:
WHY DOES ANYONE BUY THESE s**t RIFLES? ffs, SEND IT BACK AND BUY A REAL RIFLE!

I would NOT be pissing around with junk. Send it back, and move on. The fact that they have "pulled, been kicked off CGN?" is telling enough. They f**k up every single rifle they produce. I have not seen one single thread that didnt end up being a problem with their junk in one way or another.

If the chinese can produce a rifle that is not full of problems, then why cant another company do the same with the same parts? Maybe norinco is secretly selling them junk parts so they arent a threat to norincos success? d:h:
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See this is the kind of comment that makes me scratch my head...there is a similar thread right now with a guy having problems with his AR, heck the manufacturer's name is right in the title of the thread, and yet here we are in this thread with no definitive answer on which AR this is (likely an NEA) and there is gnashing of teeth from the usual suspects.

JDman, I think you are an asset to CGN, I think it is messed up that you were dumped as a moderator, and I respect your opinion. But why aren't you posting, "If the chinese can produce a rifle that is not full of problems, then why cant another company do the same..." in that other thread?

It would seem that CGN simply cannot exist for more than 5 or 6 days without a good ol' fashioned NEA dog pile. I get it that some people feel let down by NEA, but for some it seems like they were the great Canadian affordable AR hope and then they pissed in your cornflakes. The animosity just seems a bit disproportionate at times.
 
Runningfool said:
JDman, I think you are an asset to CGN, I think it is messed up that you were dumped as a moderator, and I respect your opinion. But why aren't you posting, "If the chinese can produce a rifle that is not full of problems, then why cant another company do the same..." in that other thread?
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Oh… I think I will venture a guess to this one… I think I can count 2 “other manufacturer” threads with problems. One of them being a “there are scratches on my new thing” thread. Can you count the number of NEA threads… ‘cause I lost count long ago.
 
too funny... fastford i have to agree and i was lucky enough to get a second chance at my first AR. the supposedly tested firearms failures despite the lip service stating otherwise continues to this day... with supposed 3rd generation all good now we have ironed the wrinkles blah blah blah..
I have felt more trusting of a street urchin in thailand selling knock off nikes than i do of these guys.
 
I had a really long-winded explanation on my opinion and thoughts on the NEA situation, but I didn't post it because while I believe it to be true, I think it would be hurtful to the people who paid their $ and perhaps like their guns.

Short version-

They didn't deliver on their promises of a sub $1000 AR that rivaled some top-tier manufacturers, they made poor excuses for their non-existent QC, they shilled their product to make themselves look better, and they spouted off at the mouth to people who (fairly?) questioned their product.

At least when you buy a Norinco, you know to expect a poorly finished gun that probably is going to work.
 
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