New AR failure to fire **Solved operator error**

Obviously the OP didn't want to mention what brand it is. Look what happens when NEA was mentioned, the thread went to s**t. At least he got some helpful advise before NEA was mentioned. I would offer some but I'm a newb to AR's


This thread is a good example why CGN is going to s**t. To many people who like drama and reading the same story of people #####ing over and over. help the OP or move on.

Rant over d:h: :D
 
r106 said:
Obviously the OP didn't want to mention what brand it is. Look what happens when NEA was mentioned, the thread went to s**t. At least he got some helpful advise before NEA was mentioned. I would offer some but I'm a newb to AR's

This thread is a good example why CGN is going to s**t. To many people who like drama and reading the same story of people #####ing over and over. help the OP or move on.

Rant over d:h: :D
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The thread didn't go to s**t - the QC on this rifle is s**t - and that's at the root of the problem (and it's not like there's one sole area to narrow it down; it could be almost anything based on various experiences). Look, even experienced AR15 owners avoid this thing like the plague - so what does that say?

My helpful advice is to return it for a full refund and get something else.

Mirk said:
Can you count the number of NEA threads… ‘cause I lost count long ago.
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Do we get to include the ones that were deleted...? ;)
 
*MALICE* said:
I had a really long-winded explanation on my opinion and thoughts on the NEA situation, but I didn't post it because while I believe it to be true, I think it would be hurtful to the people who paid their $ and perhaps like their guns. *

Short version-

They didn't deliver on their promises of a sub $1000 AR that rivaled some top-tier manufacturers, they made poor excuses for their non-existent QC, they shilled their product to make themselves look better, and they spouted off at the mouth to people who (fairly?) questioned their product.

At least when you buy a Norinco, you know to expect a poorly finished gun that probably is going to work.


*anyone who wants (cares) to read my full length opinion, pm me and I'll send it privately.
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Critical problems with my NEA: 3

Problems with my Norcs combined: 0 (I own four Norc guns)

There you have it. My NEA had more problems than all of my Norcs combined.

I'm not bitter, though. I bought it knowing full well people were having trouble with them. If it continues to give me grief, I'll strip it and build something else.
 
And now for some somewhat useful information..... Although my issue was in an xcr, the fire mechanisms operate quite alike.
After a few hundred rounds of flawless operation I did a compete tear down, clean, locktite and lube.

Immediately afterwards I was having soft strikes, although each and every one fired, they were weak and many primers "blanked"
Everyone on here said it was rob arms junk, weak springs, or unchamfered pin orifice ect ect...
Well I knew it was operating perfectly before, all the primers showed perfect strikes and I knew I put it together perfectly. Only thing that had changed was the lubricant.

I did not lube the firing pin or channel at all but I did lube the hammer and pivot pin with very thick/sticky Lukas 15/40 engine oil. Its like syrup.

So I ripped the pin/hammer out, cleaned it then used my favorite light oil..triflow.

It ran flawless again. But I still had xcr haters doubting it was the issue. Next time out I brought both lubes, and cleaning supplies. It takes about 10 seconds to disassemble/reassemble the hammer so I went back and fourth maybe 5 times. Each time the thick oil created too much viscous drag and lead to 3/10 primers blanking and the other 7 hardly showing a dimple.
With over 4000rounds through it between cleaning or oiling the triflow has lubricated it well, not one single issue.

I'm not touting the xcr here at all, only a lesson learnt on lube.
 
r106 said:
Obviously the OP didn't want to mention what brand it is. Look what happens when NEA was mentioned, the thread went to s**t. At least he got some helpful advise before NEA was mentioned. I would offer some but I'm a newb to AR's

This thread is a good example why CGN is going to s**t. To many people who like drama and reading the same story of people #####ing over and over. help the OP or move on.

Rant over d:h: :D
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NEAs are beyond any troubleshooting solutions. They f**ked up the AR platform so bad that no one can tell which part is causing any particular problem. The issues are all over the place. All parts in those guns are f**ked. Troubleshooting NEA guns is FUTILE and a colossal waste of time.

It's also likely that members who hear the NEA name behind a problem another is having couldn't be bothered troubleshooting for this s**t-show of a company. My money and I were used as guinea pigs long enough trying to support a "supposedly" Canadian manufactured product.

To the OP, only God can help you when you get stuck with anything NEA. But good luck with that, as I doubt He cares either.
 
i think the op already has the advice he needed. as for NEA having their own forum if you thought this was a shill fest just imagine what that #### show is gonna be. :p
 
On the subject of running with the firing pin dry...

I lubed my entire bolt assembly (firing pin included) with Froglube, and put it in the oven for 15 minutes at 200F to heat treat it and let the Froglube soak into the metal. I did a function test of about 50-60 rounds the other day at the range to test a new trigger, and didn't have any problems. I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it.
 
mechanik said:
On the subject of running with the firing pin dry...

I lubed my entire bolt assembly (firing pin included) with Froglube, and put it in the oven for 15 minutes at 200F to heat treat it and let the Froglube soak into the metal. I did a function test of about 50-60 rounds the other day at the range to test a new trigger, and didn't have any problems. I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it.
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again, try to keep the firing pin, and firing pin channel DRY, there is absolutely no reason to lube that area at all, as the pin basically floats in the middle, and ANY oil that moves in front of the pin will cause the hydraulic effect and reduce the strength of the primer strike. even a small amount of oil will heat up as rounds are fired and find its way to the front,


lube is only needed sparingly on contact points, a drop or two will do,

glad it seems to be working now,
 
While it's not recommended to lube the firing pin, getting a small amount on there should not cause malfunctions. How many CF members have locked a bolt to the rear and sprayed CLP in through the ejection port... An AR should run properly without a voodoo ritual to get it prepped for fire.
 
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.

If it makes you feel better, I am sure that NEA thinks you suck and they hate you.
 
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.
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Pretty rich, you talking about vitriol, since you have no problem piling on the attitude and condescension anytime you get a chance. You're actually one of the more abrasive personalities on this board. Maybe you could follow your own advice?
 
Suputin said:
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.

If it makes you feel better, I am sure that NEA thinks you suck and they hate you.
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wow, why not tell me how you really feel?

As for me not owning one of these #### rifles, well thats because they are ####. I wouldnt waste my time pursuing one, let alone my hard earned money to buy something of this quality.
Everyday, you see a new thread with more problems due to consistently ####ty QC of any of NEA's products. This epic level of ####, is not just with their chinese sourced parts guns, but to their brakes, other parts they make too.
So tell me mr suputin, do you own one? Or is this rant, merely because you have fiduciary ties to NEA?
 
Suputin said:
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.

If it makes you feel better, I am sure that NEA thinks you suck and they hate you.
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No, what they did was make a sh!t product, lie about testing it, open multiple accounts and use them to shill their substandard POS AR. When they got caught they cried to GT and got him to turf USP, delete many threads of complaints and pretend like they were the victim. They were shipping non firing rifles with empty cases and claiming that the guns that didn't shoot made the cases. lies are one thing but they were telling stupid lies.
 
Suputin said:
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.

If it makes you feel better, I am sure that NEA thinks you suck and they hate you.
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Here is a plan for you, If reading the truth about a product upsets you so much, then stop reading these threads. Because the truth is what it is, whether you like it or not. And if you think having your little rant is going to change the fact that NEA are a bunch of liars, who make crap products, then think again. If you really want to help NEA, then find them someone who knows what they are doing to run the machine shop for them, because from what I have seen the guy that is doing it now doesn't know goose sh!t from tapioca.
 
Well it appears Suputin’s opinion is generally not the favoured opinion around here. I can’t possibly imagine why that would be… perhaps if we could go a week with out a my NEA or my “secret manufactures product” has a problem thread.
 
Never Ending Argument personally kicked all their dogs man...

but yeah I own one, so I know it actually runs well, shoots like a quality barrel should. I would rather deal with the 5minute part job I had to do on a gun made in late feb. then have to wade through the same filter of
"I HATE NEA"

to get to the part about helping out a guy with his rifle

I think jules says it best
[youtube]?v=QPPN_gkj_gk[/youtube]
 
easysauce said:
Never Ending Argument personally kicked all their dogs man...

but yeah I own one, so I know it actually runs well, shoots like a quality barrel should. I would rather deal with the 5minute part job I had to do on a gun made in late feb. then have to wade through the same filter of
"I HATE NEA"

to get to the part about helping out a guy with his rifle

I think jules says it best
[youtube]?v=QPPN_gkj_gk[/youtube]
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Thanks for the reminder that I HAVE to watch Pulp Fiction again...it has been too long since I have seen that movie. :rockOn:
 
Ok thanks for the helpful suggestions, I humbly admit that the light strikes are probably caused by over lubing the firing pin. I stripped the bolt for a good cleaning last night and the sludge that came out of the firing pin channel was amazing. Then I remembered when I first cleaned and lubed it I had a heavy coat of grease on the firing pin I forgot to wipe it off before putting it in the bolt. I removed it and wiped it down without thinking about it any more. I guess enough of the grease came off inside the channel to be an issue.

However this is an operator issue not an NEA issue. Why is it that some people need to decide that was a QC issue? This used to be a helpful community, I only hope that it can be again.
 
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