New batch of Non-restricted CX4 Storms

So these use the 9mm rounds? Whats the cost of that ammo like?

Winchester value packs of 100 115gr FMJ are are around $27

Remington UMC 250 round packs around $65

American Eagle, CCI Blazer, Norinco, Wolf commercial reloads and others might be a little cheaper.

You'll probably pa on average of $0.27 per round for regular stuff, more than triple that for hollow point. Last HP I bought a few years ago was Winchester Ranger SXT. Boxes of 50 were $45

I know people that have been reloading 9mm for years and they figure their cost is about $0.14 per round.
 
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Hey that's not bad. That's about the same cost as 7.62 x 39 surplus. I think I may get one of these in spite of rising Vz 58 prices. This is the same price even 10 bucks cheaper than a chrome Vz depending...
 
Some reading for you...http://globalnews.ca/news/365051/lo...ound-magazines-in-some-semi-automatic-rifles/

Also Shaun, had to do some more research on this one as well.
The CX Storm can use the PX Storm Pistol magazine , but it would have to have had the magazine well modified to accept that Pistol Magazine.
The Pistol Magazine can not be switched for use in a carbine rifle and would have to be pinned to five rounds (Pistol Magazine) for use in the CX Storm carbine with longer barrel and it being the non Restricted firearm.

From an old post when I was researching buying on ...''From the RCMP web site , Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72:

3) Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.

4)4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.''

But, dont take my word for it, do some digging and some reading...IIRC it was P&D that did a whole bunch of leg work on this topic several years ago and they had some useful information about the CX Storm magazine and the PX Storm magazine for the pistol.
Tight Groups,
Rob

I'll take your advice on NOT taking your word for it.

I wouldn't call it "modifying" the mag well. You actually swap out the mag well completely to use the different styles of mags. Parts are available from Beretta.

Pistol mags are pistol mags, period! AFAIK there's no such thing as a CX4 storm mag... if there was, then it would have to be pinned to 5. I think there was some confusion regarding this on a shipment of CX4s where the mags were labelled as such? I might be imagining that one.

CX4s use pistol mags from 92/96 series pistols, or PX4 or Cougar (depending on which mag well insert installed). My CX4 came setup for 92/96 series, with two 9mm (92 series) pistol mags, not pinned. 10 round capacity.

Then I went and bought a few .40 cal mags for the 96 series, and they are also unpinned @ 10 rounds... of .40S&W. 14 rounds of 9mm. ;) Fully and completely legal.

The magazines that can be used in the CX4 are designed for pistols. Period.

#4 is what applies to the CX4 storm and the magazines that it uses.
 
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Tuco, you should look real close at your PX4 Pistol magazines.
If they say PX4 Pistol on them(magazines) you will not be able to use them legally in your non restricted CX Storm.
It is one of many silly rules that the Liberal gubernment created in the firearms legislation back in the day.
Tight Groups,
Rob

You are perfectly wrong about that one. Please stop trolling/spreading misinformation/being ignorant of the facts, whichever one it is that you're doing.
 
You are perfectly wrong about that one. Please stop trolling/spreading misinformation/being ignorant of the facts, whichever one it is that you're doing.

So nullshine, you know more about this that a former owner of a CX Storm?
Maybe you can prove me wrong with the information that shows me wrong.
I thought so, you can not FYVM !

The phrase of modifying the mag well is/was a poor choice of words by me and the CX Storm can accept either of the two wells...that is where I stand corrected.
My comments are from first hand experience and if one takes it as the gospel then they are about as smart as a sack of lead wheel weights.

Do some research and show me where I am wrong or am Trolling for that matter.
To the guys buying one of these fine carbines, they are fun to shoot and there are many options available from lights to reactive sights to low power scopes .

You are limited only by your pocket book on how to dress it up or down.
For the lefties, it can be switched over in under two minutes and your good to go.

To the Site Sponsor, I apologize for possibly derailing the Good News that these are available at your store .
Best Regards to the New Carbine Owners.
Rob
 
Good evening guys!

Hope you weekend was great. Just want to shed a little light on the subject of Pistol mags being used in firearms they were not manufactured for.

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.''

So whether the magazine was designed for a PX4, 92fs or even a desert eagle(doesn't actually fit)! If it were to fit in the magwell of another firearm you still use the legal capacity for the firearm the magazine was designed for.

I would advise anyone using magazines like the LAR-15 or pistol mags in semi auto rifles to keep a copy of that legislation in their gun bag if ever there was a "misunderstanding" on someone else's behave.

All the best,
Reliable Gun
 
So nullshine, you know more about this that a former owner of a CX Storm?
Maybe you can prove me wrong with the information that shows me wrong.
I thought so, you can not FYVM !

Apparently I know more about this than one former owner of a "CX" Storm. I'm a current owner, btw.

You've already proven yourself wrong with information that you've posted, information that I've already highlighted.

The phrase of modifying the mag well is/was a poor choice of words by me and the CX Storm can accept either of the two wells...that is where I stand corrected.

Well, then prepare to stand corrected again! Either of the three wells, actually. As per Beretta's website:
Px4 - Product code # C89210
92/96 - Product code # C89109
8000 8040 - Product code # C89110

My comments are from first hand experience and if one takes it as the gospel then they are about as smart as a sack of lead wheel weights.

Do some research and show me where I am wrong or am Trolling for that matter.
To the guys buying one of these fine carbines, they are fun to shoot and there are many options available from lights to reactive sights to low power scopes .

You are limited only by your pocket book on how to dress it up or down.
For the lefties, it can be switched over in under two minutes and your good to go.

To the Site Sponsor, I apologize for possibly derailing the Good News that these are available at your store .
Best Regards to the New Carbine Owners.
Rob

Your comments and first hand experience are incorrect. As much as I hate to muck up a dealer forum with this, you're kinda mucking up their sales by spreading incorrect information regarding mag capacity limits.

I don't need to do any research, for two reasons. I already knew the information relevant before this thread popped up, and you've already proven yourself wrong by posting Bulletin #72.

Show where you're trolling? I don't know if you are. I think there's three possibilities, which I've already detailed. You're either: trolling, willfully ignorant, or purposefully spreading misinformation in a dealer forum. Which is it?
 
Owners of beretta cx4 storm have been using the 10 round 92 magazines for years now. If it was illegal, the issues would have been investigated by Rcmp.
 
FLHTCUI: Your interpretation/information inaccurate. No offence intended. The mag capacity issue circulates a lot here. It's very confusing.

I own 3 different non-restricted pistol carbines. They all came with 10 round pistol magazines, all legally, and directly from 3 different legit dealers. Mags and Firearms have different rules governing them. The rules you quote apply to magazines. Therefore, as it says in #4 of your post:

"the maximum permitted capacity (of the magazine not the rifle) remains the same (for the magazine not the rifle) regardless of which firearm it might be used in."

The CX4 rifle is legally sold with 2 x 10 round factory beretta pistol magazines for use in this rifle. They are stamped as pistol magazines. They are not pinned and never were pinned but they are limited to 10 rounds (most double stack pistol mags can hold many more rounds than 10 in 9mm but the limit is still 10).

Unfortunately, these non-restricted CX4's do not actually accept PX4 mags right out of the box. They may slide in but they are not interchangeable. Otherwise I would get one. But if they were, you could definitely use them legally as the mags are stamped for pistols. The rifle uses pistol magazines.

But, any 10 round centrefire pistol calibre mags would be prohibited if stamped for use in a 'rifle'. Even a factory CX4 magazine that is stamped as a 'CX4 rifle magazine' (if they even exist) would be prohibited in Canada. You can't have a 10 round centerfire RIFLE magazine but you can have a 10 round PISTOL magazine ... even in a calibre like 5.56 or.308. XCR makes a pistol for sale legally in Canada and the 10 round .308 magazines it ships with are perfectly legal.

In Canada, if you write "pistol" on a centrefire magazine at the factory the capacity can be up to 10. Stamp 'rifle' on it and it's limited to 5. Regardless of calibre ... crazy rule. That's why we have legal 10 round 5.56 magazines in Canada. Because we have legal 5.56 pistols (restricted of course, but, legal). Keltec plr-16, XCR micro-pistols, etc ...

Pistol magazines are limited to 10 regardless of use. I can use my glock17 mags in my sub2000 interchangeably if I choose to. The gun shipped with a factory 10 rd glock mag. If the magazine is manufactured for a pistol then it can have a 10 round capacity. Even if it is centerfire. Or even in a rifle calibre like 5.56 for that matter. LAR-15 pistol magazine. You can buy them legally, you can use them legally.

Conversely, rimfire magazine have no limit UNLESS they can be used interchangeably with a rimfire pistol. Then they are limited to 10. In this case the rule works against higher capacity. If a manufacturer makes the a ruger 10/22 pistol available within Canada then all those high cap magazines that everyone loves would become prohibited by default because they could be used that pistol. My buddy just had that problem with his mossberg 715T. They have to be pinned to 10 even thought they are rimfire because mossberg now sells a 715t pistol in Canada. He pinned them. Crazy ...

Similarly, if a pistol calibre magazine is manufactured and stamped for use in a rifle, then, it must be limited to 5 rounds. Even though it uses pistol calibre cartidges.

Loophole or not, we have legal 10 round centerfire pistol magazines in rifle calibres in Canada. For now ...

Some reading for you...http://globalnews.ca/news/365051/lo...ound-magazines-in-some-semi-automatic-rifles/

Also Shaun, had to do some more research on this one as well.
The CX Storm can use the PX Storm Pistol magazine , but it would have to have had the magazine well modified to accept that Pistol Magazine.
The Pistol Magazine can not be switched for use in a carbine rifle and would have to be pinned to five rounds (Pistol Magazine) for use in the CX Storm carbine with longer barrel and it being the non Restricted firearm.

From an old post when I was researching buying on ...''From the RCMP web site , Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72:

3) Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.

4)4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.''

But, dont take my word for it, do some digging and some reading...IIRC it was P&D that did a whole bunch of leg work on this topic several years ago and they had some useful information about the CX Storm magazine and the PX Storm magazine for the pistol.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
Another dealer reported that this batch of CX4's all shipped missing a rail. The will ship the part separately at no cost when they arrive. Out of curiosity, are yours intact?
 
You are correct, that is exactly what happened with this batch but what we have decided to do is to sell the first half as full kits and the second half we will have to send the rail kit out after the fact. That way of our shipment the first 25 people will have full kits and we will only have to chase the other 25 instead of all 50 people being without kits. (we haven't sold out of the first half yet, almost there but as soon as we do we will make it known for the second half)

Regards,
Reliable Gun
 
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