New Chinese Rifle to Replace QZ95

For an army that hasn't had a war in 40 years (I think their last toss up was the chinese vietnamese war) they sure love to change their small arms a lot!

Image the logistics of supplying an Army of 2 Million plus 500,000 Reserves All the time....that is without a war. By the time they likely finish equipping every solider with guns they can likely just start issuing the next design to replace the old model. For a country with the potential to field over 50-100 Million soldiers with full conscription they would be unstoppable in a field conflict if fully equipped. The arsenals of China would be a sight of Raiders of the lost ark x1000 for military crates I bet.
 
QZ191 - Interesting bastardized short stroke push rod system with an AR style in-stock buffer tube system.

Very weird rear take down pin location for the upper to mate with the lower, resulting in a "bump" at the rear end that create an optic mounting lightmare, chin wield issue and being un-usable with short eye relief optics. This looks what people designed in the 70's and the 80's because they need to have rear iron site, but the CHinese doesn't even have rear iron sight on this rifle. People who designed this thing are not shooters or soldiers. They are obsessed with a right hand under charging handle, that makes thing more complicated than it needs to be. My feeling is that they are doing something mechanically different just because it needs to be different.

Think they learnt something about basic small arms ergonomics 25 years after pushing the QZ95 out too early......


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Blackface loves this except for law abiding Canadian gun owners whom he hates.

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For an army that hasn't had a war in 40 years (I think their last toss up was the chinese vietnamese war) they sure love to change their small arms a lot!

Keep in mind, they dont replace everything all at once. New arms replacing the old in the frontline units, while the less active and reserve units getting the old gear. There are probably still units using the SKS.
 
Its smart design i think. Looks compact, the charging handle can be small and should be on the left side of the rifle.
 
Given the last abomination of a... bullpup... this bastard ugly child of an AR and Sig born out of some drunken Thai bar hopping weekend.... is a step forward... off a cliff.
 
Given the last abomination of a... bullpup... this bastard ugly child of an AR and Sig born out of some drunken Thai bar hopping weekend.... is a step forward... off a cliff.

Actually, the "last" was the '03 - not a bullpup, more of an upgraded '81 with better furniture and build. It would be very interesting to see rifles using the Chinese service rifle round hit the market, it seems to be what the Americans are always chasing when they run out to replace the 556.
 
The chicomm 5.8mm is an odd choice.
It should have benefitted from inspection of the M193, M855, SS109 and 7N6.
I don't know if it is necessarily any better.
Just fascinating that the chicomms have not even sold it to any of their closest sychophants either.

Purposeful denying interop-ability?:confused:

I am a fan of the ruski 7N6 due to not being totally dependent on velocity.
A battle round rather than an accuracy round though.
 
I'm sure it's another mass produced POS, like mostly everything else out there coming from China.

Not sure why anyone besides China would bother with that garbage when we have much better manufactured rifles produced on our side of the pond.
 
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The chicomm 5.8mm is an odd choice.
It should have benefitted from inspection of the M193, M855, SS109 and 7N6.
I don't know if it is necessarily any better.
Just fascinating that the chicomms have not even sold it to any of their closest sychophants either.

Purposeful denying interop-ability?:confused:

I am a fan of the ruski 7N6 due to not being totally dependent on velocity.
A battle round rather than an accuracy round though.

I believe the original intent was superior barrier penetration and external ballistics over the other standard issue 5.XX mm rounds, while being cheaper to manufacture.

Although with the latest DBP10 round, it likely no longer has an advantage in cost of production.
 
I believe the original intent was superior barrier penetration and external ballistics over the other standard issue 5.XX mm rounds, while being cheaper to manufacture.

Although with the latest DBP10 round, it likely no longer has an advantage in cost of production.

They were trying to make a round that penetrate steel helmets better than M855.

5.8 was created to beat SS109 in steel penetration, and really the difference is marginal.

The Type 97 we had is less than stellar because it was not designed to take STANAG style mag and 5.56 in the first place. I am pretty sure the original Type 95 is a much better performer.
 
They were trying to make a round that penetrate steel helmets better than M855.

5.8 was created to beat SS109 in steel penetration, and really the difference is marginal.

The Type 97 we had is less than stellar because it was not designed to take STANAG style mag and 5.56 in the first place. I am pretty sure the original Type 95 is a much better performer.

I believe they were looking for overall better penetration performance, rather than in a single criteria.

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