New Dlask Flash Suppressors

PLEEEZ GAWD can i be the last guy that posts in this ridiculous thread???


the next guy better be posting hard cold facts right outta the law books cuz if anyone else starts talking about thier personal "feeeeeellllingzzzz" on this topic again..... I think I'm gonna puke :puke: :puke: :D

I guess... looking at it another way... the problem is mine .... I keep clicking on this thead LOL

Here is something from the NAFTA Aggreement
Section 5 of the Patent Section provides a clear answer on this

PART SIX
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY


Chapter Seventeen

Intellectual Property



Article 1701: Nature and Scope of Obligations

1. Each Party shall provide in its territory to the nationals
of another Party adequate and effective protection and
enforcement of intellectual property rights, while ensuring that
measures to enforce intellectual property rights do not
themselves become barriers to legitimate trade.

2. To provide adequate and effective protection and enforcement
of intellectual property rights, each Party shall, at a minimum,
give effect to this Chapter and to the substantive provisions of:

(a) the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Producers
of Phonograms Against Unauthorized Duplication of their
Phonograms, 1971 (Geneva Convention);

(b) the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and
Artistic Works, 1971 (Berne Convention);

(c) the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial
Property, 1967 (Paris Convention); and

(d) the International Convention for the Protection of New
Varieties of Plants, 1978 (UPOV Convention), or the
International Convention for the Protection of New
Varieties of Plants, 1991 (UPOV Convention).

If a Party has not acceded to the specified text of any such
Conventions on or before the date of entry into force of this
Agreement, it shall make every effort to accede.

3. Paragraph 2 shall apply, except as provided in Annex 1701.3.


Article 1702: More Extensive Protection

A Party may implement in its domestic law more extensive
protection of intellectual property rights than is required under
this Agreement, provided that such protection is not inconsistent
with this Agreement.


Article 1703: National Treatment

1. Each Party shall accord to nationals of another Party
treatment no less favorable than that it accords to its own
nationals with regard to the protection and enforcement of all
intellectual property rights. In respect of sound recordings,
each Party shall provide such treatment to producers and
performers of another Party, except that a Party may limit rights
of performers of another Party in respect of secondary uses of
sound recordings to those rights its nationals are accorded in
the territory of such other Party.

2. No Party may, as a condition of according national treatment
under this Article, require right holders to comply with any
formalities or conditions in order to acquire rights in respect
of copyright and related rights.

3. A Party may derogate from paragraph 1 in relation to its
judicial and administrative procedures for the protection or
enforcement of intellectual property rights, including any
procedure requiring a national of another Party to designate for
service of process an address in the Party's territory or to
appoint an agent in the Party's territory, if the derogation is
consistent with the relevant Convention listed in Article
1701(2), provided that such derogation:

(a) is necessary to secure compliance with measures that
are not inconsistent with this Chapter; and

(b) is not applied in a manner that would constitute a
disguised restriction on trade.

4. No Party shall have any obligation under this Article with
respect to procedures provided in multilateral agreements
concluded under the auspices of the World Intellectual Property
Organization relating to the acquisition or maintenance of
intellectual property rights.


PART SIX
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY


Chapter Seventeen
Article 1709: Patents

1. Subject to paragraphs 2 and 3, each Party shall make patents
available for any inventions, whether products or processes, in
all fields of technology, provided that such inventions are new,
result from an inventive step and are capable of industrial
application. For the purposes of this Article, a Party may deem
the terms "inventive step" and "capable of industrial
application" to be synonymous with the terms "non-obvious" and
"useful", respectively.

2. A Party may exclude from patentability inventions if
preventing in its territory the commercial exploitation of the
inventions is necessary to protect ordre public or morality,
including to protect human, animal or plant life or health or to
avoid serious prejudice to nature or the environment, provided
that the exclusion is not based solely on the ground that the
Party prohibits commercial exploitation in its territory of the
subject matter of the patent.

3. A Party may also exclude from patentability:

(a) diagnostic, therapeutic and surgical methods for the
treatment of humans or animals;

(b) plants and animals other than microorganisms; and

(c) essentially biological processes for the production of
plants or animals, other than non-biological and
microbiological processes for such production.

Notwithstanding subparagraph (b), each Party shall provide for
the protection of plant varieties through patents, an effective
scheme of sui generis protection, or both.

4. If a Party has not made available product patent protection
for pharmaceutical or agricultural chemicals commensurate with
paragraph 1:

(a) as of January 1, 1992, for subject matter that relates
to naturally occurring substances prepared or produced
by, or significantly derived from, microbiological
processes and intended for food or medicine; and

(b) as of July 1, 1991, for any other subject matter,

that Party shall provide to the inventor of any such product or
its assignee the means to obtain product patent protection for
such product for the unexpired term of the patent for such
product granted in another Party, as long as the product has not
been marketed in the Party providing protection under this
paragraph and the person seeking such protection makes a timely
request.

5. Each Party shall provide that:

(a) where the subject matter of a patent is a product, the
patent shall confer on the patent owner the right to
prevent other persons from making, using or selling the
subject matter of the patent, without the patent
owner's consent; and

(b) where the subject matter of a patent is a process, the
patent shall confer on the patent owner the right to
prevent other persons from using that process and from
using, selling, or importing at least the product
obtained directly by that process, without the patent
owner's consent.

6. A Party may provide limited exceptions to the exclusive
rights conferred by a patent, provided that such exceptions do
not unreasonably conflict with a normal exploitation of the
patent and do not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests
of the patent owner, taking into account the legitimate interests
of other persons.

7. Subject to paragraphs 2 and 3, patents shall be available
and patent rights enjoyable without discrimination as to the
field of technology, the territory of the Party where the
invention was made and whether products are imported or locally
produced.

8. A Party may revoke a patent only when:

(a) grounds exist that would have justified a refusal to
grant the patent; or

(b) the grant of a compulsory license has not remedied the
lack of exploitation of the patent.

9. Each Party shall permit patent owners to assign and transfer
by succession their patents, and to conclude licensing contracts.

10. Where the law of a Party allows for use of the subject
matter of a patent, other than that use allowed under paragraph
6, without the authorization of the right holder, including use
by the government or other persons authorized by the government,
the Party shall respect the following provisions:

(a) authorization of such use shall be considered on its
individual merits;

(b) such use may only be permitted if, prior to such use,
the proposed user has made efforts to obtain
authorization from the right holder on reasonable
commercial terms and conditions and such efforts have
not been successful within a reasonable period of time.
The requirement to make such efforts may be waived by a
Party in the case of a national emergency or other
circumstances of extreme urgency or in cases of public
non-commercial use. In situations of national
emergency or other circumstances of extreme urgency,
the right holder shall, nevertheless, be notified as
soon as reasonably practicable. In the case of public
non-commercial use, where the government or contractor,
without making a patent search, knows or has
demonstrable grounds to know that a valid patent is or
will be used by or for the government, the right holder
shall be informed promptly;

(c) the scope and duration of such use shall be limited to
the purpose for which it was authorized;

(d) such use shall be non-exclusive;

(e) such use shall be non-assignable, except with that part
of the enterprise or goodwill that enjoys such use;

(f) any such use shall be authorized predominantly for the
supply of the Party's domestic market;

(g) authorization for such use shall be liable, subject to
adequate protection of the legitimate interests of the
persons so authorized, to be terminated if and when the
circumstances that led to it cease to exist and are
unlikely to recur. The competent authority shall have
the authority to review, upon motivated request, the
continued existence of these circumstances;

(h) the right holder shall be paid adequate remuneration in
the circumstances of each case, taking into account the
economic value of the authorization;

(i) the legal validity of any decision relating to the
authorization shall be subject to judicial or other
independent review by a distinct higher authority;

(j) any decision relating to the remuneration provided in
respect of such use shall be subject to judicial or
other independent review by a distinct higher
authority;

(k) the Party shall not be obliged to apply the conditions
set out in subparagraphs (b) and (f) where such use is
permitted to remedy a practice determined after
judicial or administrative process to be
anticompetitive. The need to correct anticompetitive
practices may be taken into account in determining the
amount of remuneration in such cases. Competent
authorities shall have the authority to refuse
termination of authorization if and when the conditions
that led to such authorization are likely to recur;

(l) the Party shall not authorize the use of the subject
matter of a patent to permit the exploitation of
another patent except as a remedy for an adjudicated
violation of domestic laws regarding anticompetitive
practices.

11. Where the subject matter of a patent is a process for
obtaining a product, each Party shall, in any infringement
proceeding, place on the defendant the burden of establishing
that the allegedly infringing product was made by a process other
than the patented process in one of the following situations:

(a) the product obtained by the patented process is new; or

(b) a substantial likelihood exists that the allegedly
infringing product was made by the process and the
patent owner has been unable through reasonable efforts
to determine the process actually used.

In the gathering and evaluation of evidence, the legitimate
interests of the defendant in protecting its trade secrets shall
be taken into account.

12. Each Party shall provide a term of protection for patents of
at least 20 years from the date of filing or 17 years from the
date of grant. A Party may extend the term of patent protection,
in appropriate cases, to compensate for delays caused by
regulatory approval processes.
 
Guys - I lived 34 of my 39 years in Canada, and I am still a Canadian citizen (well not for long but that is another story)

I think it sucks that Department of State here has some weird ass stupid rules for export. However I dont think it is legal or right, to try to copy an item, just because you cannot have it. There are very few item that are fobidden from export, however DOS does want export certs to be filled out and clear fact inserted. It is not easy or cheap however.

There are a great deal of talented folks in Canada, who can design things that are better, that are not complete copies. MikeH and I designed a rail system, that was inspired by the KAC URX, but not a copy, nor did KAC feel agreive by the idea of us making it.
You have Rick building lowers, and Colt Canada make the best (IMHE) 5.56mm barrel on the planet.

Why lower yourselves to acting like Chinese ripoff artists and stealing peoples designs?
 
Get off your high horse, since when do you need to have "pertinent information" to post on CGN.:confused::jerkit: Honestly I wouldn't mind if a few more mods resigned their commissions here...:rolleyes:



Listen, my unpertinent information posting friend. It is not ot. Its a place for Black rifles and such products to be discussed. It is not a pissing contest. People are voicing their opinions on the specified topic. If you want OT and make pissing contests go there.

And most of all: if you have a formal complaint to make about my actions or comments, hit the report button and write away

.:popCorn::jerkit::popCorn:
 
Last edited:
Well - it looks like we have an impasse. There's good guys on both sides of this topic, arguing good points. I can see Kevin B's side, I can see Lectors side...

The question comes down to what will the consumer do?

For those faced with the fact of not being able to buy the original Vortex or KX3 or being able to buy a well made alternative, I think most here would buy the alternative. I'm no saint - and neither is anyone who posted on both sides of this argument. I know I would buy the XB1 - and may yet if the T97 horsesh!t get settled positively. If that causes someone to view me as evil incarnate, so be it.:jerkit:

Go have a beer and take a deep breath guys because there is far worse things in life. Dlask is filling a need that is NOT being met. End of story. As a consumer the legal BS is of no concern to me. I'm sure folks at Dlask dotted their I's and crossed their T's and probably find this thread quite amusing.
 
Last edited:
Dlask is filling a need that is NOT being met. End of story. As a consumer the legal BS is of no concern to me. I'm sure folks at Dlask dotted their I's and crossed their T's and probably find this thread quite amusing.

So let me get this clear.. If there is a "customer demand" then it's it fine if you break the law.

I guess the demand for used car parts is a perfectly good excuse for someone to go steal your car.. oh I forgot.. it's not OK if your the one who gets hurt by a theft, but it's perfectly fine if it's someone else..
 
I don't know about used car parts, but frankly if GM could not supply us with parts for our trucks and some local manufacturer said, "screw it, we'll build that" I would buy the part if it meant my truck was going to run.

In the meantime I would encourage GM to take on the government and lobby for access to our market, so we could buy the real GM parts. But I'm not letting my truck sit idle just so GM can maybe in theory one day get the money instead of Dlauto parts incorporated.
 
I don't know about used car parts, but frankly if GM could not supply us with parts for our trucks and some local manufacturer said, "screw it, we'll build that" I would buy the part if it meant my truck was going to run.

In the meantime I would encourage GM to take on the government and lobby for access to our market, so we could buy the real GM parts. But I'm not letting my truck sit idle just so GM can maybe in theory one day get the money instead of Dlauto parts incorporated.

other companys do make parts that fit gm ..." aftermarket parts " so whats the big deal ....and since we are getting the kibosh on importing them i say .... good on dlask and what about barrels ... no one make barrels that fit rem 700 or only remington :rolleyes: and what about ar barrels .....i could make a long list but ......:runaway:
 
Last edited:
I understand the larger argument here and I would be happy to support Noveske but I have trouble swallowing how its stealing from a company if they cant/wont (cant in this case) sell me their product so I buy someone elses product who can/will...........
 
Clobbersauras; said:
As a consumer the legal BS is of no concern to me...


Canadian Sig said:
but I have trouble swallowing how its stealing from a company if they can't/won't (can't in this case) sell me their product so I buy someone elses product who can/will...


Those 2 quotes say it all.
 
In the meantime this thread serves as great advertising for Dlask.

I guarantee he sold at least one farting beaver because of this thread.
 
I agree with 22short and think that the negativity is being misplaced. It is clearly Lectors fault for tainting Joes ears with the ideas of manufacturing parts that are morally unacceptable and patent infringing. haha;)

Maybe he did make his product on the same principal as someone else, but he makes a damn good product and he is a true gentlmen to deal with. Good for you Joe!:D
 
However Peter -- just think how you'd feel if we "borrowed" your suppressor designs and started selling them, mean hey they are good, why should we in the US be without.

I'm not saying its right or wrong. Just that it is my understanding that patents are country specific. Which is exactly the reason I am seeking a patent on my design in the US and not in Canada.

There are a great deal of talented folks in Canada, who can design things that are better, that are not complete copies. Why lower yourselves to acting like Chinese ripoff artists and stealing peoples designs?

I am very much in agreement with this. We can do better. My designs are more than competing with some of the biggest most successful companies in the world in my field. And I'm doing it on a shoestring budget out of my garage. There is no reason we can't produce better and more innovative products than what is already out there.
 
So let me get this clear.. If there is a "customer demand" then it's it fine if you break the law.

I guess the demand for used car parts is a perfectly good excuse for someone to go steal your car.. oh I forgot.. it's not OK if your the one who gets hurt by a theft, but it's perfectly fine if it's someone else..


It's not like the folks at Dlask is breaking into people houses, stealing their KX3's, putting a farting beaver logo on them and re-selling them to poor unsuspecting gun owners:rolleyes:

I have a hard time swallowing that Noveske is getting hurt by this (except maybe their feelings)- because ultimately they can't sell their products here!

Lector - I gotta see this Farting Beaver design...any chance he'll produce some? I'd buy a hat and T-shirt too :D
 
Last edited:
Kako,

Not really moral, but facts :
1- Dlask is making parts we can’t get up here and is answering a demand.
2- If Dlask is on the dark side, the ones biaised should have already taken legal action. But nothing has been done in that matter.
3- If Dlask is recognized guilty by a court of law someday, (I’m not a legal expert) they will have to pay the fine and the end result will not affect the consumer. (like the Samson and Troy ligitation)
 
Kako,

Not really moral, but facts :
1- Dlask is making parts we can’t get up here and is answering a demand.
2- If Dlask is on the dark side, the ones biaised should have already taken legal action. But nothing has been done in that matter.
3- If Dlask is recognized guilty by a court of law someday, (I’m not a legal expert) they will have to pay the fine and the end result will not affect the consumer. (like the Samson and Troy ligitation)

And I do totally agree with you.
I guess i just see this one step further than as a consumer as someone stole a design to belonged to me..
My racing helmet design was stolen by the Bahrain GP organisation in 2005 and used for all of their advertisement. (millions of $$$)
I fought, threaten them to stop the GP @ FIA level with an injunction and won.
One of the disadvatange of having your company registred in the Isle of Man... Immediate injunctions take 1 hour to request and come into effect for intellectual property issues.

Having a design stolen, even though its not an invention, sucks majorly.
 
Quite likely because the costs of the action outweigh the benefits. That doesn't make design-ripoff right, it just means that enforcement is uneconomic.


I think at least one of the players mentioned here is more interested in ruining Dlask than getting their money's worth -- a bird told me :nest:
 
Back
Top Bottom