New Dominion Smokeless Powders

RayHill · Apr 17, 2017

Wow &#55357;&#56883; What will that roll up 2 billion rounds

Ardent · Apr 17, 2017

I'll have to look into this 4895 sounds handy.

todbartell · Apr 21, 2017

looking forward to testing D4198 in a couple bolt action 223's. Would be interested in a D4895 for 308

Svt40 fan · Apr 21, 2017

would this powder be okay in a 308 and 30-06?

mistified · Apr 21, 2017

Just reloaded some D4198, runs fine through my Lee drum powder drop. The granules are very short and some residual ground up powder in tub

Will be testing 17gr of 4198 in middy 16" tomorrow with 55gr campro and dominion primer

Anpaul · Apr 24, 2017

Has anyone tried running the D4198 in a Tavor w/55 gr campro?

TheReal_Vader · Apr 24, 2017

Anpaul said:
Has anyone tried running the D4198 in a Tavor w/55 gr campro?

Because the D4198 is so fast, the gas pressure is much lower towards the end the barrel compared to slower powders. I had mixed results on my Mid-length AR's. 21.0-21.5gr of D4198 & Campro 55gr cycled fine in an 18" mid-length even with an H3 buffer. However, the same loads would NOT cycle in 14.5 mid-length with a carbine buffer. The longer 18" barrel increases the duration of pressure at the gas block and allows enough gas through to cycle the action.

You should be fine with the 18.5" barrel, I think the Tavor gas port position is similar to a carbine length AR so there should be plenty of gas to cycle the action.

Anpaul · Apr 24, 2017

TheReal_Vader said:
Because the D4198 is so fast, the gas pressure is much lower towards the end the barrel compared to slower powders. I had mixed results on my Mid-length AR's. 21.0-21.5gr of D4198 & Campro 55gr cycled fine in an 18" mid-length even with an H3 buffer. However, the same loads would NOT cycle in 14.5 mid-length with a carbine buffer. The longer 18" barrel increases the duration of pressure at the gas block and allows enough gas through to cycle the action.

You should be fine with the 18.5" barrel, I think the Tavor gas port position is similar to a carbine length AR so there should be plenty of gas to cycle the action.

Thanks for the feedback. I'd love to hear from someone who's successfully run it before taking the plunge, but any feedback is appreciated.

todbartell · May 5, 2017

some Doppler radar data from my 16.1" Ruger Scout bolt action, 16.1" barrel with the 55gr Hornady SP w/c

55gr Hornady SP @ 2.283” (.030” off lands)
Base to ogive = 1.944”
Dominion primer
Hornady brass

D4198
22.5 – 2992
22.3 – 2968
22.1 – 2996
21.9 – 2907
21.7 – 2865
21.4 – 2859
21.2 – 2822
21.0 – 2787
20.8 – 2742
20.5 – 2721
20.2 – 2736
20.0 – 2682
19.8 – 2634
19.6 – 2630
19.4 – 2600
19.2 – 2561
19.0 – 2560
18.7 – 2515
18.5 – 2505
18.2 – 2486

I am going to play around in the 21.1 to 21.9gr range and see where the accuracy node is

Kegcaissy · May 5, 2017

Any updates for the next powder shipment? Any news for others powders like 4895 or 4227?

CanAm · May 5, 2017

Kegcaissy said:
Any updates for the next powder shipment? Any news for others powders like 4895 or 4227?

eta for more is about 2 weeks. other powders due this summer/fall

mistified · May 6, 2017

17gr of D4198 + 55gr campro + Dominion primer short cycled on my 16" middy AR. Bolt does not lock back and does not catch next round.
Will be testing 18gr and 19gr next.

todbartell · May 7, 2017

top L 21.1grs, mid L 21.5grs, bottom L 21.3grs, R lower 21.7grs, R higher 21.9grs. 100y from Ruger m77 Scout 16.1"

55gr Hornady SP w/c @ 2.283" OAL (.030" off lands), Hornady brass, Dominion primer

Doppler results from 21.7grs

Code:

[TABLE="width: 1088"]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Average[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2849.55[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Highest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2868.97[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Lowest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2833.64[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Ext. Spread[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35.33[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Std. Dev[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17.93[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shot ID[/TD]
[TD]V0[/TD]
[TD]V50[/TD]
[TD]V100[/TD]
[TD]V150[/TD]
[TD]V200[/TD]
[TD]V250[/TD]
[TD]Ke0[/TD]
[TD]Ke50[/TD]
[TD]Ke100[/TD]
[TD]Ke150[/TD]
[TD]Ke200[/TD]
[TD]Ke250[/TD]
[TD]PF50[/TD]
[TD]Proj. Weight[/TD]
[TD]Date[/TD]
[TD]Time[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2679[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1005[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]876[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]147.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2643[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]980[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]852[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145.37[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2846[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2651[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]989[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]858[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:29[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

to compare, Aguila 55gr FMJ ammo does 2878 fps, and Hornady 55gr SP ammo does 2873 fps

tivatian · May 7, 2017

todbartell said:

top L 21.1grs, mid L 21.5grs, bottom L 21.3grs, R lower 21.7grs, R higher 21.9grs. 100y from Ruger m77 Scout 16.1"

55gr Hornady SP w/c @ 2.283" OAL (.030" off lands), Hornady brass, Dominion primer

Doppler results from 21.7grs

Code:

[TABLE="width: 1088"]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Average[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2849.55[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Highest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2868.97[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Lowest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2833.64[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Ext. Spread[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35.33[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stats - Std. Dev[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17.93[/TD]
[TD]fps[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shot ID[/TD]
[TD]V0[/TD]
[TD]V50[/TD]
[TD]V100[/TD]
[TD]V150[/TD]
[TD]V200[/TD]
[TD]V250[/TD]
[TD]Ke0[/TD]
[TD]Ke50[/TD]
[TD]Ke100[/TD]
[TD]Ke150[/TD]
[TD]Ke200[/TD]
[TD]Ke250[/TD]
[TD]PF50[/TD]
[TD]Proj. Weight[/TD]
[TD]Date[/TD]
[TD]Time[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2679[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1005[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]876[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]147.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2643[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]980[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]852[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145.37[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2846[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2651[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]989[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]858[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/05/17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14:45:29[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

to compare, Aguila 55gr FMJ ammo does 2878 fps, and Hornady 55gr SP ammo does 2873 fps

Thanks very much for the info!!

CanAm · May 18, 2017

D4064?

sly mantis · May 18, 2017

CanAm said:
D4064?

If you're asking if we want D4064, the answer is yes please.

macsailer · May 18, 2017

CanAm said:
D4064?

I would love some!

VinnyQC · May 18, 2017

CanAm said:
D4064?

Darget would be best, but 4064 is close second imho. Good for everything 223 and 308, plus the 147grains campro in 300wsm. Go for it, I'll buy a 5lb.

CanAm · May 18, 2017

VinnyQC said:
Darget would be best, but 4064 is close second imho. Good for everything 223 and 308, plus the 147grains campro in 300wsm. Go for it, I'll buy a 5lb.

Made in Australia, no not available to us

canadianshooter · May 18, 2017

When!?

New Dominion Smokeless Powders

CGN Regular

CGN Ultra frequent flyer

CGN Ultra frequent flyer

CGN Regular

Member

Regular

Regular

Regular

CGN Ultra frequent flyer

CGN Regular

Canada Ammo - CGN Sponsor

Member

CGN Ultra frequent flyer

Regular

Canada Ammo - CGN Sponsor

CGN Regular

CGN Regular

CGN Ultra frequent flyer

Canada Ammo - CGN Sponsor

CGN Regular