New FTR is Ready for Prime Time

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Been a crash course is design, building, and testing but she is in a case heading out to Winnipeg for the Western Canadian F Class Championships.

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A bunch of new features to help me deal with the recoil of the 308 and adjust the rifle while shooting.

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Who needs to stretch for the bipod?

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A big thanks to the following who really made the project possible:

Terry at Black Art Rifle Company who did awesome machining in chambering and setting up the barrels. Shilen and Krieger and cases/ammo can be interchanged. Also, lending me a hand with the machining and lightening of many things aluminum. Block originally came from Henry Remple years back, as a rectangular block bored for the barrel. We Swiss cheesed 2/3's away.

Peter at Hirsch Precision who helped expedite a reticle swap into the Sightron SIII 10-50X60 scope. I am thoroughly enjoying the LRMOA reticle in a 1/8 min click scope chassis commonly used for the FCH/target dot scopes. This suits F class so much better then 1/4 min clicks. I think these might be the first 2 scopes modified under a new Custom Shop program offered by Sightron.

Vince Bottomley in the UK for the inspiration to go with a really long forend/bipod location. It sure keeps hop and bounce to a min. Tracking has proven to be very nice.

Testing has shown alot of promise and I hope I can drive it to a respectable finish at the WCFCC.

Jerry

Been fielding some questions on the stock and rifle set up so here is some info...

There has always been the debate over light/fast vs heavy/slow. With new bullets entering the market on the heavy side, that debate wrt LR F TR is decided, heavy is better. How heavy? I know some shooters will be shooting 230gr Hybrids in Raton this Aug.

With heavier bullets come problems with recoil and gun handling. Torque, the desire for the rifle to twist opposite to the rifling, also has increased. What shooters are finding is that conventional stock and rifle set ups aren't as good as they were with lighter recoil set ups.

Many skipods are flexing, twisting, bouncing or just breaking under this new load. Some stocks, even very expensive composite stocks, are showing flex and inconsistencies. Vertical stringing and bouncing several targets over are becoming all too common and costing shooters points. If not, the time lost resetting and getting back into position.

The MPOD was my idea to make the lightest skipod for FTR and that it is. There is nothing lighter with the same degree of stability and tracking - AFAIK, there is nothing lighter period. A common complaint is that the MPOD isn't easy to adjust while in position. BUT that was never its intent.

It was designed as a solution to the growing trend to heavier 30cal bullets. A trend that requires a change in the actual layout of the rifle. A layout that favors very long forends to help keep barrel hop to a minimum/nil. A lower center of gravity to reduce twisting through the skipod - many shooters are constantly resetting their cant on their "Remple clone skipods" cause the mechanisms just can't hold the rifle static under recoil loads. From shooter feedback, many Remple clones will not keep from canting under long term use. The mechanisms eventually wear and slip, or just fail.

NOTE: This issue doesn't plague the REMPLE. Nothing in a fully adjustable skipod is more stable or rigid. Problem is this is done with a massive amount of metal making the weight too high to be effective in FTR. Adjustability is HEAVY

With super long forends, you CAN'T reach the skipod adjustments when in position so none were included in the beginning with the MPOD. Using a suitable mat, the MPOD is set up level with a bubble level (now on the rifle but not pictured) which ensures the reticle is not canted. Because the MPOD CAN'T twist and the lowered center of gravity in the design, the rifle needs no further adjustment during the relay. It just tracks back and forth and stays level - assuming the mat you use is suitable for the terrain of the range.

All elevation adjustment is made at the REAR of the stock. There is always some settling when using a rear bag and to account for aiming changes desired. Far more convenient to reach and puts weight where it will do the most good balancing those heavy long barrels. YES, this adjustment is completely legal under BOTH ICFRA and NRA 2013 rules.

Many shooters use ballast in the rear to offset their skipods and heavy barrel - what a waste of weight. A rear adjustable stock rearranges weight in the most effective manner leaving more weight for barrels, actions, and scopes.

Time will tell how this new stock arrangement will fare in competition but my shooting has shown that it allows me to shoot with near pedestal rest stability and tracking. Vertical at LR is near identical to my F Open rigs which is to say, pretty darn flat. Accuracy has also improved as I am staying on target far better during the follow through. With higher recoiling rifles, that will make driver errors far less and hopefully, also help with fatigue as you don't need to keep fighting that skipod to get back on target.

Most of the international shooters using the MPOD purchased it out of frustration with their present skipods. The fact that the MPOD was half the mass didn't hurt either.

The long forend is not my idea but an extension and improvement on ideas used on the Euro F TR winning rifle from last year.

The rear adjustment is also not entirely new but I believe mine is the ONLY F TR rifle competing at the US Nationals and Worlds this August. Given the feedback and comments from shooters, I know mine will not be the last.

The MPOD is now being tested by a top US gunsmith to incorporate into his new gen FTR rigs. The concepts to improve the shootability of the FTR/Heavy bullet set ups is certainly shared by many at the front edge of this sport.

It has already been evaluated by National teams in various countries with some shooters using it this Aug. I expect more/similar type of sets up going forward as rear adjustment stocks get designed and put into service.

I expect the firing line at the next Worlds to look a fair bit different then how it will look this Aug.

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
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Nice build Jerry like the long for-end to get that Bi-pod at front, tells us what you be feeding it
good luck at westerns
 
Jerry, I've gotta ask- Why mount the scope so high, especially if you are trying to mitigate recoil? I love the height adjustment on the bottom of the stock.
 
Very nice Jerry. You know whoopass season has started and you just opened up a fresh can of it with that rifle.

NormB
 
Jerry, I've gotta ask- Why mount the scope so high, especially if you are trying to mitigate recoil? I love the height adjustment on the bottom of the stock.

The scope is very high cause the barreled action is very low. I wanted the alignment similar to the tube rifle and AR. That made lining up the shock absorber easier.

The scope to comb relation is similar to any other target stock but the lower barreled action dictated shims to get it in alignment

The inline set up really helps to drive the recoil back in a straight line. Couple with the bipod way out there, no muzzle rise at all.

A bang, a bounce and you are back on target.

The recoil reduction takes this do where my 223's were....

Jerry
 
Very nice Jerry. You know whoopass season has started and you just opened up a fresh can of it with that rifle.

NormB

If all goes as planned, will be sending lead downrange in a Winnipeg thunderstorm this evening.

the rifle shoots well, the loads are consistent... DAMN, no more excuses.

See how fast I can peddle in the prairie gales... " the call was Two targets over NOT line 2".... oops, kinda windy out here :)
Jerry
 
That's a nice set-up which is a more streamlined version of the one my buddy
put together in the mid 70's. Bob's rifle was an Unlimited unit with steel clamp
and switch-barrels in .243 & .308. Both would put 5 shots into dime sized
groups at 200yds. Though it looked somewhat industrial, it was deadly.

Your rifle is very nice and up to date in the looks department and I hope
the winds die down enough to see you get the results you're seeking.
Good luck Jerry:)
 
Greetings Jerry

Recently found time to play with the Choate you sold me last year; the adjustments are enlightening. Your ideas on recoil height are right on. Good luck in the wind.

Norman
 
Woke up this morning wondering why there was so much noise outside the room.

Like being beside a busy highway...

We aren't anywhere near a highway and traffic is light. That is the just the MORNING breeze...

fun, fun, fun

Jerry
 
Jerry maybe you could keep us posted on scores as weekend goes along, I will try and post scores from Eastern s daily. Sure hope we can do something with dates conflicting for both shoots I know fellows who have shot the westerns and they had a great time and many friendships were made
Would love to go to Westerns next year.
Jerry if pay sharp attention to your hold with your new .308 always the same, you will do fine, if hold is always the same it will really help eliminating vertical
Just keep a eye on those Super Deuce Mouse guns sneaking a head of you LOL.
We are holding a best 5 shot group shoot at 900 M on Friday evening after practice is closed around 6.30 PM Hope Connaught is gentle,targets and prizes will be given out at Meal on Sat evening
 
Jerry maybe you could keep us posted on scores as weekend goes along, I will try and post scores from Eastern s daily. Sure hope we can do something with dates conflicting for both shoots I know fellows who have shot the westerns and they had a great time and many friendships were made
Would love to go to Westerns next year.
Jerry if pay sharp attention to your hold with your new .308 always the same, you will do fine, if hold is always the same it will really help eliminating vertical
Just keep a eye on those Super Deuce Mouse guns sneaking a head of you LOL.
We are holding a best 5 shot group shoot at 900 M on Friday evening after practice is closed around 6.30 PM Hope Connaught is gentle,targets and prizes will be given out at Meal on Sat evening

Sight in today with gusts over 20mph.

Worked out ok and there were holes in the center.

fun starts tomorrow.

Jerry

Please keep the update and scores coming. Very big weekend for Competition. GLTA.

Jerry Center is good and not the next target over.
 
I am hoping that others have posted the scores - don't want to upset the match . Just grabbed a moment to post this message.

conditions have been windy and tricky... some would say diabolical but since some are shooting very high scores, well, let's not dwell on things like wind reading skills....

Kind of fell off the wheels Friday after a great start at 800. Ended up mid pack for the day. 1000 was a real gut check.

Today, conditions were lighter but still not easy. Tanked at 800 under what should have been straight forward air - alittle out here, a little out there.... can't print the real words here :)

900 went really well and I tied for first place. Missed winning by THAT much. But then so did everyone else...

1000 was again another test of fortitude and the saying "God hates a coward" has never been more true. Started the relay well then things went south cause I just wasn't willing to aim WAY out there for a condition switch. Lost the points anyway but never had a real chance at picking up the good stuff. Lesson learnt....

Well, looked like everyone else was having a tough day cause I am now sitting in 4th for the day but 7th overall. I am the most surprised shooter reading the scores.

So I will enjoy the moment cause tomorrow is another day - 900 and 1000. I hope the wheels are on tight...

Jerry
 
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GSoD, thanks for the links.

900 and 1000 today. Lightest air but twitchy as all get out. If I had a boat, I would be waist deep in water.

A whole bunch of leaky 9's caused by switching winds and headwind gusts. Some got on the conditions and did really well. Most shot alot of 9's.

1000 was again surprisingly tough. two rows of flags going in various directions. Then the occasional WTF lifting some to weird and wonderful places. Followed soon by 6 oclock 9's or worst.

My guess would be thermals as we had absolutely perfect conditions for that. Unfortunately, nothing much to read and a real gut check when a nice tight horizontal is fractured by a 2 oclock 7.

A couple of driver errors and a couple of WTF's. Otherwise a very nice relay. Was in there with the shooters having the 2nd best scores for that relay.

A huge THANKS to the match organizers who put on a great match. Ran early, no problems. Everyone was squaded and treated equally. Great stuff.

Another huge learning curve but the rifle is working. My shoulder is none the worst for wear. More practise then it is off to Raton.

For anyone interested and on the coast, the Westerns will be held in Chilliwack next year July long weekend. Will be out to 600m but don't kid yourself. Chilliwack is one of the more diabolical ranges so bring your A Game..... and rain gear.

Maybe I will dust off my 223 and use that :)

Jerry
 
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