New full custom!!!

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Well after a very disappointing competitive shooting season i've finally ordered a full custom! Thats right I did it, a 6Br from John at Bughole shooting supplies!
I've ordered my RCBS match dies from Hirsch Precision, Lapua brass and 105gr. Bergers from Prophet River. Now all I have to do is be patience for the gun!
The gun will have John's own benchrest stock, a blue printed SS Remington short action with a SS 20 MOA rail and the barrel he's says will be a surprise! I trust him totally! If you have ever had a chance to shoot one of his rifles you would know why I trust him! I will top off the rifle with my 10-50 x 60mm Sightron FCH!
I can't wait to be shooting bugholes this winter at our competitions. Oh FYI the site sponsors are totally awesome when asking questions or advise, plus some of the best customer service in the industry! I wish some of the larger stores could be more like them! Now I wait! OH the barrel will be 1-8 twist and chambered for Lapua brass
I will not be neck turning!

see last post for pictures of the new gun!
 
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OH the barrel will be 1-8 twist and chambered for Lapua brass
I will not be neck turning!
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The chamber will be whatever the reamer is. Unless he happens to have a reamer that matches the Lapua brass neck dimension or you are paying for a custom reamer then the chamber will be what it will be. I've never heard of chambering for a specific brand of brass.
 
Suputin said:
The chamber will be whatever the reamer is. Unless he happens to have a reamer that matches the Lapua brass neck dimension or you are paying for a custom reamer then the chamber will be what it will be. I've never heard of chambering for a specific brand of brass.
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I ordered a custom reamer for my .260 specifically because I want to use only Lapua brass and I dont want to neck turn.
Lapua brass is known to be thicker in the neck and shoulder than domestic brass. My reamer was ordered with a .298 neck instead of the typical .296.
 
Not to derail but I know a number of shooters ( myself included ) who have moved away from neck turning. I will be writing an article down the road comparing neck and no neck turn accuracy. It is a controversial issue with some strong proponents of both methods.
 
Tomochan said:
Not to derail but I know a number of shooters ( myself included ) who have moved away from neck turning. I will be writing an article down the road comparing neck and no neck turn accuracy. It is a controversial issue with some strong proponents of both methods.
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I'd like to read your write up as I agree . I don't neck turn I just neck size in stages and anneal every second firing. It's worked great for me.
 
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I think not neck turning is somewhat subjective if you're using different brands of brass. I'm sure this will end up derailing this thread. It'll be like weight sorting and sorting by volume. Let's see some pics of this gun!!
 
You will gonna love 6BR which I have. I have trued Rem 700 SA with Krieger 28inch, 1:7.5" twist rate, 105gr Berger Match Target. Later, I'll show you the picture that I shot the smallest 5 shot group at half kilometer, (500 meters). It is unbelievable what 6BR can do way out there.

I use the Wilson SS Dies. It is very precision dies.
 
I believe my chamber will be .269 and a finished barrel of 28" I told him I will not be neck turning but will use Lapua brass. I have ordered neck die and full length dies as well.
 
Often, people see better accuracy and consistency from neck turning because it removes the burr around the case mouth. New cases have a burr that is there as a result of the manufacturer bulk tumbling the cases (also occurs often on cases that have been tumbled in SS pins). The burr has the same effect as a donut if it's getting pinched between the bullet and the chamber. It isn't always fully removed from chamfering, deburring or trimming. It can cause huge variations in neck tension as the burr is not the same on every case.
 
You seek ultimate accuracy but decline neck turning. Annealing and touching up neck with outside turner each reload has shown me some amazing results. Throw away the SS tumbling pins, they peen case mouths. A quick inside neck cleaning with nylon brush and Scotch-Brite on outside is clean enough for annealing. An arbor press with hydraulic bullet seat tension indicator helps you discover the importance of uniform neck tension. For long range bullets (6mm/107-115gr) .004/.005 neck clearance seems to be optimal, don't want bullet obturation to begin with bullet in cartridge neck.
 
No Fear in Accuracy said:
You will gonna love 6BR which I have. I have trued Rem 700 SA with Krieger 28inch, 1:7.5" twist rate, 105gr Berger Match Target. Later, I'll show you the picture that I shot the smallest 5 shot group at half kilometer, (500 meters). It is unbelievable what 6BR can do way out there.
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Second that - the 6MMBR is amazing - shot my best ever using it. Was so happy I made it into a post : http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/855703-Sometimes-it-is-nice-to-just-celebrate
 
When you can stop brass flow, you can stop outside neck turning.

And when you can stop work hardening, annealing goes out the door too.

The level you take for case prep really boils down to what precision shooting and accuracy mean to you. I do get a chuckle when shooters spend so much money on building all this custom stuff THEN skimp on the things that will actually have a benefit in the long run.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
Well it all matters but your right where do you stop? Precision to one is not they same for another! I think money can buy you precision to a point! Well i'm getting a new custom and I can haedly wait! Thanks for all the input guys!
 
Given the feedback and conversations with my customers, precision and accuracy ARE the same for everyone. It is the extent that they are willing to commit in both tuning and equipment to get the result they want that differ

The happy shooters find a good balance for investment vs result. Little effort - little result. Lots of effort - better results. They understand and are comfortable with the compromises they make.

Where I see the disconnect is when shooters expect the peak results with little effort or by short cutting the process. Unfortunately, there are no shortage of info and options off the internet to feed this perspective.

A huge area of disappointment is spending lots of money cause that is what they are told/expect for the results they want, and not getting it cause they have invested money into areas that really aren't important or for gear that really doesn't work all that well.

So for me, it is investing time, effort and money into products and techniques that will yield improvements on my target. I don't judge price as the main criteria for effectiveness cause there are some dirt cheap stuff that works the best. Then other items that cost a pretty penny cause that is the only solution that works.

YMMV

Jerry
 
kombayotch said:
Often, people see better accuracy and consistency from neck turning because it removes the burr around the case mouth. New cases have a burr that is there as a result of the manufacturer bulk tumbling the cases (also occurs often on cases that have been tumbled in SS pins). The burr has the same effect as a donut if it's getting pinched between the bullet and the chamber. It isn't always fully removed from chamfering, deburring or trimming. It can cause huge variations in neck tension as the burr is not the same on every case.
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^^^^^yep^^^^^ check your neck ID/OD after ss tumbling you will have varying degrees of burrs get them suckers! Use a sharp hook or old school guido pinky nail lol to make sure you are gettin all the burr cut off it will mess with neck sizing as well.
 
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