New Gen Steyr M-A1 in Canada?

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Does anyone know if the newer generation Steyr M9-A1 or M40-A1 exists in Canada? I'm trying to find a Canadian dealer that carries the newer gens.

The newer generation guns have roll pins under the slide near the rear sights. That is the most noticeable difference. The newer gens also have a revised extractor, frame, and does not have the loaded chamber indicator.

From my research the models being sold don't have the the loaded chamber indicators, but are missing the revised extractor, roll pins, etc.
 
Reply from Wolverine:
To get a 2011 or later date code on a Steyr M9-A1 we could contact
our supplier and ask for one with a code of ?WW (?= any month WW=2011 year of manufacture) or
?WK although this last would be very difficult.
We might given time find one with a ?WW code.
It would take time possibly months and require a 20% deposit on the item.

Best Regards;
Rob

So there's hope but even Rob seems unsure. This concerns me as far as replacement parts/service go. Sure wish SAI dealt with Canada.
 
Having owned one back in 2006-7 I wasn't impressed... In the long run I bet you'd be much happier with a gen4 Glock 22 or M&P40. Owned both and they are much better pistols with a better track record.
 
Having owned one back in 2006-7 I wasn't impressed... In the long run I bet you'd be much happier with a gen4 Glock 22 or M&P40. Owned both and they are much better pistols with a better track record.
Definitely. It's a shame cuz the design was there, but the kinks never really got worked out, and with so many other better poly offerings out there (any glock, m&p, etc.) this pistol is more of a collectable than a go to gun. Hopefully the new gen A1's are better cuz with so many reliability issues with this gun this is about their last chance to redeem themselves.
Wouldn't trust my life on it, but I'm still into owning one that functions properly.

Here's hopin'
 
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You should email North Sylva, the importer of Steyr for canada. They will not import new steyrs until old stock is sold ... so in about 10 years maybe.

The old steyrs are fine if you upgrade the extractor to the new design and spring as far as fte problems go. Any other problems im not aware of or incountered. Canadas styer fan club is too small for anyone to care about us.

SAI is top notch, they would have sent me replacment parts if I could have found someone to forward them to me from the states side, cant say so much for North Sylva, I had to contact Austria who promptly sent me new parts. Since replacing the extractor and spring ive had 0 issues.
 
They will not import new steyrs until old stock is sold ... so in about 10 years maybe.

Funny... but unfortunately true I think.

Canadas styer fan club is too small for anyone to care about us.

Also true I would say.

there was also a recall on some of the pre roll pin A1's.

The recall is actually on the 2010-onward (roll pin, redesigned trigger and extractor) guns. Which doesn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence in the redesign, but - like IMLugger I am another ex-M9A1 owner that continues to post about these pistols - and I am still curious to see if they have fixed the short comings of the design. I love Steyr (I have 3 Steyr rifles I love) but my experience with my 2006 produced M9A1 was... not all that positive.

If you look at the recall notice from Steyr you will see that all the recall guns have a 7-digit serial number starting with a 2 or 3. These are the new 2010-onward guns with the roll pin in the slide. The guns that we have had in Canada are the 2004-2008 MA1's, which have a six digit serial number that always starts with a "0". There are also some of the original Steyr M9's in Canada (the 1999-2003 bluish looking design with the proprietary rail system) but they are not overly common.

If you look at the picture of the Steyr M9A1 pistol that recently went up on the Wolverine website, you can see that it is still in the "old" (2004-2008) date code range:

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/16108/Steyr-M-A1-Pistol-9mm-Black.aspx

It has the 6-digit serial number starting with a "0", and it has a "VOT" (November 2008) date code. My local store (Reliable) recently got in some "new" Steyr M9A1 pistols, some with night sights and some with trapazoids, and I was interested to look at them because I wanted to know the answer to this very question: are they the redesigned pistols? The date codes on those ones were all the second half of 2008, mostly around July 2008, so no. So, it appears that maybe we are at least getting to the end of the old stock, as they stopped making those guns in 2008.

But, all the MA1 pistols in Canada I have personally ever been aware of were made before Steyr pulled their pistols out of the U.S. market for redesign (among other reasons). So, regrettably, I think the comment about North Sylva trying to clear out old stock is accurate. At the very least, somebody somewhere - whether it is in Canada, the United States or Austria is still trying to move the stock that was made before the redesign. I played around with the trigger on some of the ones Reliable brought in around January of this year (~July 2008 production) to see if the trigger was as I remember it... and it was. Take-up, break-point, and reset are all "mushball" on those guns. I think of the stock GLOCK 5.5 trigger as a benchmark that other guns in this class must compare themselves against, and the 2004-2008 Steyrs fall short in my opinion... out of the box anyway. There are some tricks and some replacement parts that have been devised by the SteyrClub.com guys and some others in the States, but I think you have to compare out-of-box to out-of box.

I have nothing against this gun. I actually really want to love it, and, as I say, I love this company, but I have to be honest with myself and with you guys about my observations. The trigger is not a strong point for the gun, and neither are the sights. The company needed to address some of these issues... and they have, we just haven't seen the fruits of that here in Canada yet.

I think that the e-mail to Rob at Wolverine is a good start. As consumers we need to tell these businesses we frequent (so often) what it is we want. The first letter in the code is the month. The second two letters are the year (just Google "Steyr Date codes" if you want to know more). In order to assure yourself that you have the new design of pistol, only the middle letter need be "W" (1), which would indicate that it was made in 2010, 2011, 2012, etc.

The Steyr Scout that I currently have (which came from Praetorian in Calgary) is 2010 date coded, and I am pretty sure that the Scout rifle Reliable had up until recently was newer date-coded... so it is not as if no newer Steyr products are getting in. Somebody, and I perfectly understand why, is trying to clear out the rest of the 2004-2008 pistols. Be an informed customer and demand what you want! I know I won't be bothering with taking a serious look at Steyr pistols again until I see that they are the redesigned ones.
 
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My bad, I was thinking Steyr handguns and just wrote steyrs ... They will not import new Steyr handguns until the there stock in canada is sold, this is what I was told when initially trying to find a 2010 or newer last year.
I settled on a used 2008 from Epps. Make sure if you buy used or old stock you know what your getting into ... models with the LCI cause case dents on ejection and most have an extraction issue because of a weak spring, they also changed the angle or something on the newer extractors.
Ghostie is right about the trigger unfortunately and although there are some aftermarket parts that will improve it I dont think it will ever be 100%.
All in all though I still really enjoy shooting it and ive learnt to work with the trigger ive got and I dont think theres another gun out there that feels the way this gun does in your hand.
Like I said earlier, since replacing the spring and extractor ive had 0 malfunctions ... also these guns eat anything.
 
Steyr Arms International in the states if youve got freinds in the states who can forward mail or North Sylva in canada. I had to contact Steyr directly in Austria to get my parts.

Last resort if you cant get the parts is to use a 1911 plunger spring with your stock spring, this is what I did while waiting for parts and also had 0 malfunctions afterwords, come to think of it I dont even think I used the newer extractor im still using the old one with the new spring.
 
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Greatly appreciated. Since I'm shopping for my first handgun, I'm about ready to give up on this one. Too many unknowns and too much work, which pains me as I've been obsessing over the M9 for a while now. Time to try out a S&W. Cheers.
 
If you plan on getting the steyr, checkout btguide website. They produce aftermarket drop in parts for this platform and it immensely improves the performance of this pistol. Look into getting the flush cups and the weaker striker spring. After this, polish the striker with fine sand paper and you will be have a very nice trigger. These upgrades are currently used by alot of the guys on steyrclub.

I use to own a 08 model and I sold it.. Great trigger after upgrades and a nice grip too.

If someone gets their hands on the latest refresh let me know. I'm interested:)
 
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Greatly appreciated. Since I'm shopping for my first handgun, I'm about ready to give up on this one. Too many unknowns and too much work, which pains me as I've been obsessing over the M9 for a while now. Time to try out a S&W. Cheers.

I really liked the Steyr M9 as well, but, same thing. Picking up my M&P tomorrow, it just seemed like a better choice afterall.
Plus the "range kit" comes with a loader, 3 mags and holsters for pistol/mags.
 
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