new Grizzly -Moose rifle

srupp no offense intended but I have to state my opinion, eh? ;)

Your rifle is nice. Enjoy it and be sure to post pics of the bears or whatever you shoot with it.

I have never shot a rifle with a muzzle brake and do not intend to. I have hunted with a .338WM since 1988 so I am familiar with the cartridge. My rifle is a M-700 with a custom fiberglas stock and it weighs somewhere around 7-1/2 lbs loaded. It's a pussycat!

I also shoot a .416RM and a .458 Lott. Personally I think a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70, with "full-house" loads is worse then any of the above. That ##### rattles your teeth on the bench!

1899 who is your brother? Do I know him without knowing it? Seems to me Republic of Alberta may have talked about hunting bear with him?
 
Demonical..BOO had that same weapon out at the range tonite also

45-70 with some special bullets , it was a lever action 300 grain bullets??

AWESOME WEAPON....no I did not fire it..lol..

Some folks shoot 458's w/o a problem..500 grains..I am not one of those folks

I am sorry for being so "defensive" some of the PMs warning instant defness and bleeding from the ears and permement damage and injuring any other hunter w/i 40 yards just isnt my experience the recoil is pleasant with this brake and very very quiet..

Thanks

i will post photos of the bear I get..

Steven
 
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Well I have a exceptionally accurate Browning in .270 (thanks to Alberta Tactical Rifle and Rick..) so the deer ,goat, sheep is taken care of..I chose the .338 because it represented a significant step up in knock down or stopping power for BIG moose and G-bear...and I might as well use it for black bear..

All the talk about a single shot from a muzzle braked weapon would leave you permanantly deaf and bleeding from the ears..not with this muzzle brake

I chose the weapon for a specific reason and in my opinion it is far more important on a grizzly to put the bullet EXACTLY where it needs to go..point of the shoulder to imobolize the critter there.This requires ACCURATE SHOOTING with the potential for a quick accurate second shot..this muzzle brake allows me to accuartly shoot the.338 with BIG strong bullets ie 250 Nosler Partition or 225 gr. barnes TSX'S.

With very little to no muzzle jump and recoil equal to or less than a .270 and very quiet..no loud nerve shattering KABOOOOOM it is really a joy to shoot this makes it exceptionally suited for grizzly or longish shots across a small meadow for moose...

I am completely satisified with the results of the muzzle brake..it did EVERYTHING I was told it would .............PLUS the extra benifit that the slightly extra length and "weight" of the MB..HELPS THE "HANG" OF THE FRONT END..IT HOLDS PERFECTLY STILL..and like I said no muzzle lift..I will do a video on the next gun range outing showing a side view of the muzzle and the lack of any significant recoil.
Sorry for the delay in reporting back on the new SAKO..model 85.. ...

Steven
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Could such a muzzle brake be applied to a 700 sendero 7mm magÉ »Gorgeous gun by the way. With 250 grains you can knock down king kongÉ curse this french keyboard
 
Just do not do what i did with that muzzle break , and kill your ears. I will never hunt with a muzzle break again, trust me.
Second day of the season i took a nice 5x5 in the thick stuff, and had to sit down to get orientated after the shot. It was a 300 wby and i took the 3rd day off because of temp hearing loss. Breaks are great loosing your ears for a day or 2 is not cool, so take some plugs with you and put them in for the shot please, because the break will get ya one day and its not fun.

But very nice job nice rig.
 
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Steven and I had fun at the "pit" yesterday afternoon. :D Yes, he declined to take a few shots with the big Marlin! (350 gr @ 2100 fps) ;)

The "brake" on his Sako is actually quite interesting in that the directional porting does not produce much of a side blast but actually directs the gases upwards which keeps the muzzle down and the rifle recoil straight back. Stevens shop-built shooting rest also helped tame the beast. In all honesty the perceived recoil with this 338 WM off the rest was similar to what I would expect with a .308 class rifle.

Accuracy wise the rifle is typical Sako, it liked everything fed it! The 225 TSX produced sub-moa 3 shot groups over a 3 grain variation in powder. The best group was exceptional as noted but I think in the long run the average will prove to be just under 1 MOA.
 
srupp said:
some of the PMs warning instant defness and bleeding from the ears and permement damage and injuring any other hunter w/i 40 yards just isnt my experience the recoil is pleasant with this brake and very very quiet..

Thanks

i will post photos of the bear I get..

Steven
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Steven, I would like top pass along some personal experiences if I may. I have 3 friends who use braked rifle. I have shot each of those rifles, and yes, the break does relieve the recoil impulse.

One of these rifles is a long barreled, Brno 602 in .375 H&H. The fellow who owned it had occasion to drive off a polar bear that was annoying his dogs. When he fired, he stood beside the wall of his house and after the first shot all went quiet. He did not hear the second or third shots. His hearing came back, but he was in some discomfort for several days. Without thinking, I threw this thing up one day and fired a snap shot, and my experience was very similar to his, only my discomfort lasted a week.

Another pal who posts here from time to time has a braked short barrel 602 in .458. This is not a nice rifle to stand near when it is being fired. Given that bear security makes up a good portion of his income, I like the short rifle idea, but sooner or later he will fire without hearing protection on and the hacksaw will come out.

A third pal, a doctor who has since moved to Alberta, has a .30/.378 Weatherby. This was the worst of the lot. If you ever fire a braked rifle chambered for this cartridge without hearing protection I don't know how you could recover from the flinch you would develop. Standing behind and to the side of this rifle when it fired was like being punched in the chest. That pressure wave from this thing hitting unprotected ears would be unbelievably painful.

The point to all of this is that when we are in the field, as opposed to shooting on the range, things like hearing protection can be overlooked in the heat of the moment. The injury received from this oversight could be of a serious nature. The naysayers will say you only have to fire a shot or two in a hunting scenario, but given the correct circumstances that will be enough.
 
SRUPP..


Just buy a grind to fit Limbsaver pad and take it to your gunsmith. I have done this several times with rifles that are not entirely mainstream. Great recoil pads. Should set you back around $50 for the install.
 
srupp said:
I tried it WITH and without and it did NOT increase the sound at all...I have now shot the weapon with 7 individuals HIGHLY qualified to reneder their opinions...gun range officers and 30 year vetern shooting instructors etc etc and tonite someone I highly value his impartial views...and since you are rendering your view from Sask. and I was there..lol....no significant increase in loudness
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I don't know why you guys keep telling him not to use the brake while hunting, as the rifle is apparently no louder with it. It is not a normal brake. He has stated this several times. :confused:
 
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SRUPP..


Just buy a grind to fit Limbsaver pad and take it to your gunsmith. I have done this several times with rifles that are not entirely mainstream. Great recoil pads. Should set you back around $50 for the install.
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You can't fit an aftermarket pad to a Sako 85 Synthetic.
 
blargon said:
I don't know why you guys keep telling him not to use the brake while hunting, as the rifle is apparently no louder with it. It is not a normal brake. He has stated this several times. :confused:
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Exactly!

To say I was skeptical about this system would be an understatement. To say I was pleasantly surprised after shooting it would also be an understatement.

I don't know what sort of engineering and/or voodoo went into the design of this "brake" but I will state unequivocally that it's noise level - as the shooter - was in fact less than that produced by my unported 45-75 which I was shooting between groups with Steven's Sako. Steven - who was spotting targets beside me while I shot - was still breathing normally after every shot so I imagine the side blast was minimal as well.

All in all he has built a very nice rifle. The trigger is a work of art and breaks clean at ~ 2 1/2 pounds. The action is a smooth and feeding from the magazine was flawless. The scope is mounted nice and low so a good cheek-weld is guaranteed. The brake has added a small bit of front-end hang so shooting off-hand should be a joy. (I will have to borrow the rifle for a couple of months this fall to give it a true workout! ;) LoL )


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Any time BOO..

It is obvious how unattractive the mere idea of a muzzlebrake is to some ..that preconceived ideas will hold fast in face of impartial first hand experience to the contrary..lol

OH well thats my report , I will post a photo of the first kill..

Thanks ever so much BOO for your experience and skill in reloading and helping develop a good combination for my new rifle...

Steven
 
Pics say the 1000 words..Perfect group, prfect bullet...Kill anythign that walks or crawls. Enjoy the new rifle, even if I am not a fan of the brakes.....:)
 
blargon said:
I don't know why you guys keep telling him not to use the brake while hunting, as the rifle is apparently no louder with it. It is not a normal brake. He has stated this several times. :confused:
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Because some of us have these not normal breaks, and they are still louder than normal, and some of us have hurt our hearing because of them in the field, but please by all means, dont listen to us, go try for your self, who am I to suggest this.
 
Jason, I guess you are someone that can't read or understand English or when someone tells you 11 times that this is NOT your past experience with muzzle brakes the post suggested many months ago this IS a 3 piece "quiet " muzzle brake..a new idea that does everything it advertises...it IS quiet.it DOES reduce recoil...that why I had it installed.

I appreciate your concern over my hearing..after 32 years of sirens at work I too look after my hearing and wear ear protection while the sirens are going.

I compared it to a NON MUZZLEBRAKED .270 and a NON MUZZLEBRAKED .308 and this was every bit as quiet..numerous knowledgeable individuals with decades of rifle experience EACH listened and didn't feel it was any louder than any other NON MUZZLEBRAKED RIFLE..

I wrote the original post to introduce this new technology...not to have folks who have never tried it or been near it explain from 1/2 way across Canada why I should cut it off and save my hearing..sheeeeeesh..

However many many years ago when I bought the FIRST civilian GPS in our region of BC I had many many knowledgeable individuals scoff and ridicule the blasphemous concept that this contraption would or could do what was advertised....:p

oh well.....


Thanks Gate....

Steven
 
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so,,, let me get this straight. many of the less experienced shooters here say use a muzzle brake, they let you shoot ultra super whiz bang cartridges that then only recoil like regular cartridges and the shooter gains what,,, a theoretical 1/4" of flatter trajectory or a bit more air displaced on the far side of some deceased critter? One thing I know for damn sure from experience. EVERY shot you fire without hearing protection damages your hearing. Hearing damage is cumulative, and permanent. Every single time you have ever heard your ears ring you have permanently damaged your hearing. Hearing damage of this type does not seem obvious at first. Then you will slowly develop tinnitis. Look it up. It is NOT fun to hear a high pitched ringing at all times. Kinda ruins nice music and bird songs among other things. Oh, an did I mention balance problems? Screwing up you inner ears is a great way to become permanently dizzy. Try climbing a mountain after goats when your balance is gone because you shot way too many rounds without proper hearing protection. Many of us can't. If you believe any manufacturer's claim based on "decibels" that their muzzle brake doesn't increase hearing damage look up the effect of impulse sound on hearing. Decibels does not measure impulse energy, but your ears sure as hell do notice.
There is no way in hell I will hunt with anyone who is using any sort of muzzle brake. What little is left of my ear function is jealously guarded. But go ahead, blow your ears out. You'll have bragging rights about the big rifle that doesn't kick much at all. What that you say???
 
long walker...do YOU use ear protection for every shot you fire??at the range and in the field....I purchased a.338 for SPECIFIC reasons..moose and grizzly yes moose I can get away with using my.270 however shooting grizzlies with a .270 isnt a good idea...either the 400 pound mountain variety or the 900 pound coastal variety....

Now you may not have those types of animals or needs for different caliber rifles we do....and I dont have to justify my decsions based on your concepts of what is appropriate .... and I dont appreciate your sarcasm or ridicule :mad: I have no intention of ruining my hearing...and I have yet to see anyone done a pair of hearing protectors prior to shooting a whitetail doe with a 30-06 or .308 and this rifle isnt louder than that...you spend so much effort and time trying to argue on something you know NOTHING about..you have not seen this weapon nor heard the thing why speakest thou???

hearing loss IS bad I agree..but that has nothing to do with THIS type of muzzle brake.. you OBVIOUSLY DONT LIKE MUZZLE BRAKES FINE...but please do not start conjectoring or preaching or warning or whatever the hell it is you are trying to do sheeeesh

I GET IT " there is no way in hell you want to hunt with anyone that uses a muzzle brake " FINE your NOT invited STAY AT HOME AND CONTINUE TO WHINE.."

"One thing I know for sure from experience every shot you fire without hearing protection damages your hearing " Longwalker it also has somehow affected your vision..ya can't read .....

I try and not comment on knitting because I never have knitted..please refrain on passing on your complete lack of knowlege on something you know nothing about. better yet ..go read the comics....BUT hey wear those hearing protectors there might be a joke about a rifle..and that might ruin your hearing...or eyesight....
 
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I think most of us wear no ear protection when shooting game. If the muzzle break is quiet, how can it be anything but a good thing.
They are still ugly.
Reduced recoil is always a good thing, weather you can 'handle' the recoil, like a tough guy or not, reduced recoil helps your shooting, PERIOD!
They are still ugly.
The design appears to have a close link to some high performance automotive mufflers. I wonder about how it will age over the years.
Did I mention how gawd awful ugly muzzle breaks are?
 
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long walker...do YOU use ear protection for every shot you fire??at the range and in the field....I purchased a.338 for SPECIFIC reasons..moose and grizzly yes moose I can get away with using my.270 however shooting grizzlies with a .270 isnt a good idea...either the 400 pound mountain variety or the 900 pound coastal variety....

Now you may not have those types of animals or needs for different caliber rifles we do....and I dont have to justify my decsions based on your concepts of what is appropriate .... and I dont appreciate your sarcasm or ridicule :mad: I have no intention of ruining my hearing...and I have yet to see anyone done a pair of hearing protectors prior to shooting a whitetail doe with a 30-06 or .308 and this rifle isnt louder than that...you spend so much effort and time trying to argue on something you know NOTHING about..you have not seen this weapon nor heard the thing why speakest thou???

hearing loss IS bad I agree..but that has nothing to do with THIS type of muzzle brake.. you OBVIOUSLY DONT LIKE MUZZLE BRAKES FINE...but please do not start conjectoring or preaching or warning or whatever the hell it is you are trying to do sheeeesh

I GET IT " there is no way in hell you want to hunt with anyone that uses a muzzle brake " FINE your NOT invited STAY AT HOME AND CONTINUE TO WHINE.."

"One thing I know for sure from experience every shot you fire without hearing protection damages your hearing " Longwalker it also has somehow affected your vision..ya can't read .....

I try and not comment on knitting because I never have knitted..please refrain on passing on your complete lack of knowlege on something you know nothing about. better yet ..go read the comics....BUT hey wear those hearing protectors there might be a joke about a rifle..and that might ruin your hearing...or eyesight....
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You have offered no proof so of course people will be skeptical. Was this "new technology" developed by a team of nasa scientests or "developed" in some guy's basement in Provost Alberta? Many put in plugs when hunting deer, moose and geese. It is a fairly common practice. I have 2 friends with tinnitus who are avid hunters. Why the whining over the kick anyway? If you need 250 grains spend more time at the range. If 175 grains won't take down a moose there is a problem. Who shoots grizzley's anyway?
 
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