New GSG-15 Rifle Preorder!

Wolverine Guy said:
Updated info in regards to the question of the internals.
I just got an e-mail from the importers regarding this. I hope it clears up any concerns.

Good morning Guy,
No they are not identical. The internals are proprietary specs that have afforded us the opportunity to bring it into the A&W fold with the support of GGS, as always. The stock is also a tried and true GSG stock that has been very successful on the 522, which is prohibited in Canada.

Again, we don’t take lightly in giving out the A&W coverage otherwise we would be looking at a nightmare. Take for example the SA 22. It was the mosquito which was a failure and had the internals not been revised it would have been a warranty nightmare.
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Thanks for the update regarding completely new internals. I read the ISSC V2 updated their messed up internals anyways, and I haven't heard of any Anschutz owners having any issues with theirs. They must still share some parts though, no? the Mk22 was supposed have been inspired by the FN SCAR

FN SCAR:
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GSG :
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ISSC:
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Anschutz:

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The body still looks the same right down to the seem lines on the plastic body. Barrel/barrel shroud looks the same, the flash hider looks the same (as the ISSC), the rails look the same, screw-in takedown pins look the same (most people replaced these with HK push pins), magazines look the same, charging handle looks the same (and it looks like you have three location options, just like the ISSC and Anschutz), the gas block looks the same (on the ISSC version anyway) even the flip up sights look like the Anschutz ones:

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But if they say they've got completely different and proprietary internals, that's good news. Taking down the ISSC and Anschutz wasn't impossible, but a right pain in the buttocks.

Anyway, good to know that Wolverine's got our back for lifetime warrantee. At $499, that comes in less than both the ISSC and Anschutz versions.
 
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Wolverine Guy said:
Updated info in regards to the question of the internals.
I just got an e-mail from the importers regarding this. I hope it clears up any concerns.

Good morning Guy,
No they are not identical. The internals are proprietary specs that have afforded us the opportunity to bring it into the A&W fold with the support of GGS, as always. The stock is also a tried and true GSG stock that has been very successful on the 522, which is prohibited in Canada.

Again, we don’t take lightly in giving out the A&W coverage otherwise we would be looking at a nightmare. Take for example the SA 22. It was the mosquito which was a failure and had the internals not been revised it would have been a warranty nightmare.
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Thank you, Guy.

My two question on this new rifle is:

1. Are you able to lock open the bolt without a magazine inserted?
2. Is takedown the same as the ISSCMK2, requiring much time and tools?
 
Quite honestly at this point I would like to get one here and inspect for myself (read into that, take one out and use it, one of the perks of the job) :)
That will be the best way to give the best answers back to you guys.
I am hoping to see them late next week or early the week after that.
Thanks to everyone that has pre-ordered so far.
 
Michael Dempster said:
Thanks for the update regarding completely new internals. I read the ISSC V2 updated their messed up internals anyways, and I haven't heard of any Anschutz owners having any issues with theirs. They must still share some parts though, no? the Mk22 was supposed have been inspired by the FN SCAR
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I would just like to clarify that these are NOT "completely new internals". They are refined internals. Basically GSG is building these fine firearms and putting their own name and reputation on them, not building for ISSC to their quality standards.
I hope this clears up any confusion.
 
Wolverine Guy said:
I would just like to clarify that these are NOT "completely new internals". They are refined internals. Basically GSG is building these fine firearms and putting their own name and reputation on them, not building for ISSC to their quality standards.
I hope this clears up any confusion.
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Well, I had an ISSC with no issues and I was told it was a V2 (I've had friends with previous models, and those were definitely problematic). I also had the Anschutz version which was also flawless, and that was supposedly based off the V2, so I'm sure that if GSG has further refined their version, they must have it right by now.
 
I am sure if Wolverine Supplies stands by these its all good, its just strange that new rifle has no info to be found anywhere on the net, even GSG website.
 
bcbravo2zero said:
It's not gonna be like takedown on an AR-15. The only "tactical" .22's that takedown like an AR-15 are .22lr AR-15s as far as I know.
My RX22 isn't that bad. It takes minutes. Easier than a Ruger SR22.
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I assume you just mean to separate the upper from the lower on the ISSC vs the Sr 22. Because disassembling the bolt in an ISSC/Anschutz MSR Rx22 is quite tedious. However, looking at GSG's STG 44 takedown process, it seems pretty well designed. Even the trigger pack is miles ahead of the ISSC in terms of easy access. Hopefully GSG's "revised internals" on this new gun are equally practical. A video of the disassembly would be greatly appreciated.
 
Wiskey1 said:
since they are making all these cool copies,,why not centerfire,,5.56,7.62x39,9mm,,something bigger than 22LR,sure that would sell well,or is there copyright laws they would going into,
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If they make them in centerfire and NON-RESTRICTED then they have to up the price by 6 times or more lol

This is cool looking rifle and hoping to pick one up when available.
 
Aye. It's more expensive as well to scale up a blowback 22 to 556 etc. Not aware of any straight blowback action used in 556. Usually have to add a delay system or else gas or recoil system. Plus the materials used on these tactical 22s are usually not to the same standard as their centerfire brothers (lower pressures, desire to keep them affordable etc)
 
Huh? said:
Aye. It's more expensive as well to scale up a blowback 22 to 556 etc. Not aware of any straight blowback action used in 556. Usually have to add a delay system or else gas or recoil system. Plus the materials used on these tactical 22s are usually not to the same standard as their centerfire brothers (lower pressures, desire to keep them affordable etc)
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Blowback requires a specific bolt weight based on the cartridge to fire safely. 223 would need something like a 7 pound bolt to be safe. That would be one heavy rifle.
 
Huh? said:
I assume you just mean to separate the upper from the lower on the ISSC vs the Sr 22. Because disassembling the bolt in an ISSC/Anschutz MSR Rx22 is quite tedious. However, looking at GSG's STG 44 takedown process, it seems pretty well designed. Even the trigger pack is miles ahead of the ISSC in terms of easy access. Hopefully GSG's "revised internals" on this new gun are equally practical. A video of the disassembly would be greatly appreciated.
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Yes, fair comment. But that "complete" takedown of the RX22 is something that can be done very infrequently. Anschutz says it isn't necessary (debatable, I know). I have never done it. It hasn't been necessary for me. 1000's of rounds with only a few light strike issues in the breaking-in period. Never a problem with cycling the action. I spray some froglube solvent in there, wait, then hit it with compressed air.

BTW, if these mags are the same as the ISSC/Anschutz mags, I can tell you that they are really high quality. The best (non-rotary) rimfire mags I've ever used.
 
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Huh? said:
Aye. It's more expensive as well to scale up a blowback 22 to 556 etc. Not aware of any straight blowback action used in 556. Usually have to add a delay system or else gas or recoil system. Plus the materials used on these tactical 22s are usually not to the same standard as their centerfire brothers (lower pressures, desire to keep them affordable etc)
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Sorry it's off topic but my comment was mostly joke with hint of truth to it. Yes centerfire systems cost more to manufacture, probably double, as proven by the prices of many decent North American made AR15s. But when they make them NON Restricted, prices tend to climb close to or over 3K which is not just cost of manufacturing, in those cases we are paying for "NON Restricted " status as well.
 
bcbravo2zero said:
Yes, fair comment. But that "complete" takedown of the RX22 is something that can be done very infrequently. Anschutz says it isn't necessary (debatable, I know). I have never done it. It hasn't been necessary for me. 1000's of rounds with only a few light strike issues in the breaking-in period. Never a problem with cycling the action. I spray some froglube solvent in there, wait, then hit it with compressed air.

BTW, if these mags are the same as the ISSC/Anschutz mags, I can tell you that they are really high quality. The best (non-rotary) rimfire mags I've ever used.
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That has not been my experience. In order to retain reliability I've had to break mine down every 500 rounds.... even after it's been looked at by the store in which i've purchased it. Anschutz or ISSC saying it isn't necessary is one of the biggest lies (in my opinion) on their version of the rifle.

Again, hopefully the "revised" internals on this new gen will be much better!
 
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